Students treated for reaction to H1N1 swine flu vaccine Anna Johnson of Starkville, a student in the Mississippi University for Women School of Nursing, inoculates Rashaud Terry, 15, against the H1N1 flu virus, at New Hope High School, Wednesday. Holding his hand is classmate Katelyn Price, 16. The MUW student nurses are experienced in giving shots. A handful of Caledonia students reported reactions to the vaccine, but hundreds of other students in the area were vaccinated without incident. Photo by: Kelly Tippett
Ashley O’Mary will be home from school through Friday, a precaution her guardian is taking after O’Mary had a reaction to the H1N1 vaccine she was administered at Caledonia High School, Wednesday.
“She did not have as bad a reaction to the vaccine as some did,” said Joyce Flowers, O’Mary’s guardian, from the emergency room at Baptist memorial Hospital–Golden Triangle, Wednesday afternoon. “She has been given some Benadryl, and the doctor has given her some prescriptions to take.”
Sabrina Shelton’s reaction was more severe.
“Sabrina had a high fever and shortness of breath,” said Shelton’s mother, Bernice. “She was treated for hives and complained of itching from a rash.”
O’Mary and Shelton are two of nine Caledonia High students who suffered reactions to the H1N1 vaccine administered Wednesday.
All but one of the students had been treated and released from Baptist Memorial Hospital–Golden Triangle Wednesday evening. The status of the hospitalized student was unknown Thursday morning. And at least one of the students previously released from BMH–GT returned to the hospital Wednesday night, experiencing further complications.
Two students complained of shortness of breath just after receiving the vaccine while the others may have experienced what Mississippi State Department of Health District 6 Health Officer Dr. Rebecca “Tree” James referred to as “sympathy reactions” or discomfort with no evidence of an allergic reaction.
The hospitalized student was taken to Baptist by a relative after leaving school, said Lowndes County School District Superintendent Mike Halford. The rest were transported by ambulance directly from school.
“The reactions were serious enough to the point we thought we needed medical attention. In no way did we overreact,” said Halford. “We thought we might have got a bad batch of vaccine.”
The students began to show symptoms of a reaction within 15 minutes of the last high school student receiving the vaccination, which was administered by Mississippi University for Women School of Nursing clinical students through a partnership with MSDH.
Caledonia elementary and middle school students were scheduled to receive the vaccination Wednesday but, acting on the advice of MSDH officials, Halford postponed those vaccinations until a later date.
More than 400 New Hope middle and elementary school students also received the vaccinations Wednesday with no reported problems as did students at four Columbus city schools. MUW nursing students also administered those vaccines.
MSDH reported one other student has suffered a similar reaction among 10,000 vaccinated across the state.
Slight reactions are common, James noted.
“With any vaccine there’s the possibility of allergic reactions like hives. Thirty to 40 percent of people (in a test group) had reactions like swelling at the injection site, headache or just felt bad. There were no actual hives in the test group,” she said.
According to information provided to parents with vaccination consent letters, risks from the inactivated H1N1 vaccine are similar to those from the seasonal flu vaccine: soreness, redness, tenderness or swelling at the injection site, fainting, headache, muscle aches, fever or nausea. Life-threatening reactions to vaccines are rare.
Stress can play a major role in bringing on minor reactions, said James.
“Hopefully this will open some eyes to the situation that could present itself (at other schools),” said Halford. “They need to make plans.”
Allergic reactions are typically treated with Benadryl, said James, but stronger reactions may require an Epinephrine shot. School nurses keep both on hand.
Lowndes County schools and Columbus schools will proceed with the vaccinations as planned.
West Lowndes High School will receive the vaccination Nov. 11. West Lowndes Middle and Elementary schools will receive the shots the following week.
New Hope Elementary School will receive its vaccinations Dec. 8.
Caledonia parents will be asked to sign permission slips again once a new vaccination date is agreed upon by the LCSD and MSDH.
Oktibbeha County school officials Monday made plans to partner with MSDH to offer H1N1 vaccines to its students.
Starkville school officials Tuesday gave their consent for MSHD to offer H1N1 immunizations during the first week of December.
MSDH officials making the rounds at local school districts have not met with West Point School District’s board of trustees to propose making the vaccine available at its schools.
Though MSDH and its partners, the H1N1 vaccine is being offered free of charge to all public and private school-aged children, with approval from school officials and parental consent.
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Mr. Jordan | 11/5/2009 3:37:00 PMmark as inappropriate I estimate Caledonia High got a batch of Novartis "Focetria" H1N1 vaccine that contained the experimental adjuvant, or booster, MF59.
The FDA has not approved MF59 because it caused autoimmune disorders in animal experiments. The only way it could be legally used is if a national health emergency has been declared, and one has. President Obama declared it on Oct 23. This allows the use of experimental substances.
Novartis is one of four companies currently providing America's H1N1 vaccine. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) gave Novartis a nearly $1 billion grant to purchase bulk vaccine antigen, and bulk MF59 adjuvant, even though a health emergency had not yet been declared.
The only logical explantion for what caused trouble in Caledonia, but no where else in Mississippi, is that Focetria was used in this Caledonia, but no where else. The H1N1 vaccine is not he problem, the experimental booster is. Vaccination without the booster should not cause problems.
The autoimmune disorders MF59 can cause usually do not appear for weeks, months, or years, and have a potential latency period of 18 years. This makes it hard to tie the ailment to the shot, except the shot is what corrupts the immune system.
The most famous autoimmune disorder connected to flu vaccines is Guillain-Barre syndrome, but includes others such as lupus, MS, and a wide range of skin and nerve disorders.
Check the label on your vaccine, Caledonia. I'm betting it is Focetria by Novartis.
presentatchs | 11/5/2009 7:00:00 PMmark as inappropriate Possible Anaphylactic shock is not a mild reaction and I witnessed one of the students going into anaphylactic shock according to medical staff. Please do not underestimate. Please do not downplay. Stating that an event that actually happened was due to "sympathy" and basically inferring that "reactions" were not really reactions is wrong!
Please research the swine flu vaccinations of 1976.
Please research the various flu vaccinations that have been approved for use. I believe there are four available in the U.S. Please research the clinical trials that these vaccines were subjected to. Please question.
Why are we so eager to accept? Why are we so eager to be in denial? Why are we so eager to place foreign substances in our body that politics support?
Muscadine | 11/5/2009 8:01:00 PMmark as inappropriate I researched info on Mr. Jordan's response, and most of his info can be found at conspiracy websites ( www.alien-earth.org ) and sites selling herbal cures ( http://www.fightbackh1n1.com and www.livingfuel.com )or both ( www.garynull.com ). Please be skeptical of what Mr. Jordan has to say.
Presentatchs is skeptical about the vaccine's safety. I predect the vaccine used will be found perfectly fine. One person seemed to have a reaction, and other students suddenly felt ill. For information on the cause, visit Wikipedia and search for "Mass Hysteria" and "Hysterical Contagion."
Muscadine | 11/5/2009 8:44:00 PMmark as inappropriate I researched info on Mr. Jordan's response, and most of his info can be found at conspiracy websites ( www.alien-earth.org ) and sites selling herbal cures ( http://www.fightbackh1n1.com and www.livingfuel.com )or both ( www.garynull.com ). Please be skeptical of what Mr. Jordan has to say.
Presentatchs is skeptical about the vaccine's safety. I predect the vaccine used will be found perfectly fine. One person seemed to have a reaction, and other students suddenly felt ill. For information on the cause, visit Wikipedia and search for "Mass Hysteria" and "Hysterical Contagion."
I don't know what web sites you are familiar with, but I will give you the relevant ones to support my suspicion that Caledonia got Novartis Focetria vaccine.
First, is Novartis using MF 59 adjuvant?
Let's go to the Novartis web site:
"Influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine
Novartis Influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine was approved by the FDA on September 15, 2009. The A(H1N1) vaccine is an inactivated subunit vaccine approved for active immunization of persons 4 years of age and older, including patients with underlying chronic medical conditions. The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded Novartis two contracts totaling USD 979 million for purchase of H1N1 bulk vaccine and the Novartis proprietary MF59 adjuvant."
Now, let's see if adjuvants are, indeed, in use with the H1N1 vaccination program:
"Independent experts to study safety data on H1N1 vaccine
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 2, 2009
An independent panel of experts will meet Monday to review the safety of the swine flu vaccine as part of the government's efforts to monitor the unprecedented immunization campaign.
The National Vaccine Advisory Committee's H1N1 Vaccine Safety Working Group will review the results of data being collected by the government to detect any problems with the vaccine as soon as possible.
According to a summary of data the panel will review, about 10,352 people have received the injected vaccine and 501 have gotten the FluMist nasal spray in 13 studies funded by the Health and Human Services Department's Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.
Of those who received the injections, 6,098 got standard vaccine while 4,254 received shots containing a substance known as an "adjuvant," which is designed to boost the effectiveness but is not being used widely. That included 5,776 adults and 4,576 children. "
Now, you will have to take my word that MF59 is not FDA approved because I don't have a web site for that one, but I know it to be true. It cannot be used without and Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), yet HHS bought a billion dollars worth long before President Obama declared the national health emergency.
It will be easy to see if I am wrong, just tell me what company produced the H1N1 flu vaccine given at Caledonia High School.
I have seen MF59 in action, and it is not pretty.
SWilliams | 11/6/2009 8:10:00 AMmark as inappropriate Money and Fear! This is how our government is making money with Large Drug companies behind them. Drug Companies are the largest lobbyist on Capital Hill. This vaccine was not tested long enough for safety and effectiveness. There are too many questions not answered about the vaccine and the H1N1. The people that have died. Did they have the vaccine or tamiflu. Tamiflu has been know to kill people also. Japan had children jump to their deaths after taking Tamiflu. Tamiflu investor is Donald Rumsfield 25 million dollar investment or more. Go to Dr. Mercola .com Great information on his website. Also go to Alex Jones radio program and website. I use to feel our government looked out for the American people and their best interest but now I feel the governemt is looking out for their own best interest. The best protection from any illness is a strong immune system. Stop eating fast food, stop smoking and exercise. Sugar foods love virsues they attach to sugar in your body. Vitamin C improves lung functioning hopefully preventing pnuemonia if you get the flu. The flu vaccine if it effective is only good for one year. The immune system is weakened with each flu vaccine. This vaccine has not been tested long enough. Plus you do not know what additives are in the vaccine. They are rushing this vaccine so by adding the peservatives they are able to create more vaccine. The vaccine even if it kills someone is protected by the government from tort action. If it is so safe why has the President and First Lady not received the vaccine?
s walden | 11/6/2009 10:56:00 AMmark as inappropriate I am a parent of 2 caledonia students. My yougest daughter was in the same room with the first victim as she became ill. She did pass out 2 times and had seziures. My child was very quiet and observent during this time. She was not overreacting. This was real no matter how hard everyone tries to cover it up. Be a responsiable parent, research things before you allow anything into your childs body. This could possiably end up one of the most tragic days in Caledonia.
Only time will tell.It is really a shame that kids a accused of faking an illness just for the sake of keeping it queit!!!!
Thank you for finally giving us first-hand account of what happened to this student. It seems the school system can't report what happened, and the media can't find out what happened, so we needed you to finally tell us. What a commentary.
When is the last time you saw actually swelling at an injection site? I had it only once in my life, and that was when I got MF59.
Perhaps you, as a parent, can demand to know what vaccine Caledonia received. I suspect you got the one with the adjuvant that, again, no one knows about or wants to ask about.
Also, has the school informed you how to file a VAERS (adverse reaction) form for the CDC? Often they "forget" to explain the VAERS system so there will be no adverse reactions reports.
Contact me at Ruffian234@aol.com if you want further information.
President Obama and his wife Michelle will "wait until the needs of the priority groups" -- including young people under 24, pregnant women and people with underlying illnesses -- have been vaccinated. But Malia, 11, and Sasha, 8, fall within the priority groups, and they received their injections last week from the White House doctor, who applied for the vaccine through the District of Columbia Department of Health "using the same process as every other vaccination site in the District.'
I don't think the President is doing to endanger his children!
BC | 11/6/2009 11:42:00 AMmark as inappropriate About the comment that the children were accused of "faking".... I have not seen that said by anyone.
Regarding the swine flu vaccine in the seventy's...
I have taken the flu vaccines since being diagnosed with chronic health problems in 1997. I have never had a problem. The shot I got last week, I didn't even feel. Any thing you put in your body has some risk of reactions or harm. A peanut can kill! Meds... let's look at one. Aspirin. Aspirin is blamed for tens of thousands of deaths each year due to gastrointestinal bleeding.
Let's look at flu vaccine.
in 1976 swine flu vaccine. Forty million Americans were vaccinated, and 500 cases of GBS were reported with 25 deaths. Hummm.. 25 out of 40 MILLION! It seems aspirin is far more dangerous than vaccines.
ruby | 11/6/2009 12:18:00 PMmark as inappropriate bc, go to the WCBI news online and read the articles and you will see that the department of health did accuse the students of "faking" , written plain and simple.......
s walden | 11/6/2009 12:30:00 PMmark as inappropriate bc, apparentlly you have not done your research on the fact that they were accused of faking it. Also mass hysteria is just a kind phrase for false symptoms. What do you think "faking it" is? Several students also had to return to the hospital for seziures. I dont think anyone can "fake" seziures!The public has a right to know the truth. Mr. Jordan Thank you and i will be asking for the information on actual name of the vaccine. I will also inform the parents as to the form you spoke of.
s walden | 11/6/2009 12:32:00 PMmark as inappropriate bc, apparentlly you have not done your research on the fact that they were accused of faking it. Also mass hysteria is just a kind phrase for false symptoms. What do you think "faking it" is? Several students also had to return to the hospital for seziures. I dont think anyone can "fake" seziures!The public has a right to know the truth. Mr. Jordan Thank you and i will be asking for the information on actual name of the vaccine. I will also inform the parents as to the form you spoke of.
Stonewall | 11/6/2009 12:57:00 PMmark as inappropriate Hey bc what if your child was one of those that died from taking the vaccine how would you react then.
ruby | 11/6/2009 1:00:00 PMmark as inappropriate thank you s walden,you said it perfectly!! it infuriates me that the kids had the blame of over reacting, No one can fake a seizure, and i guess the ambulance, er visits were all figments of the imagination, i really hope that the parents find out what happened and not to let the school or health department "sweep it under the table" like everything else that happens....
SWilliams | 11/6/2009 1:00:00 PMmark as inappropriate It was reported that the Obama children had the vaccine after many reporters were wondering why they had not been vaccinated as of yet. Then the next day they were vaccinated. As the President of the United States shouldn't he be one of the first vaccinated since he is overseeing the running of the country. He is at risk of H1N1 due to the amount of exposure to others and he smokes. Also dark skinned people have less Vitamin D. Low levels of Vitamin D has been seen in people that have developed the flu.
Matt | 11/6/2009 1:02:00 PMmark as inappropriate Mr Jordan to your claim:
If the drug is not approved by the FDA it is not being given out in the United States. I have no idea where you get your info from. There are drug producers in the U.S. that can't even sell in the U.S. because they are not approved. They are selling to other countries though. Why are all the problems at one school if all the reactions are true? It makes no sense to me. Maybe if 1 person had a reaction but 9 out of a thousand and all at the same school?
None of the H1N1 vaccines currently distributed by the U.S. government contain adjuvants.
All H1N1 vaccines used in the United States are licensed by the FDA and are made in the same way as seasonal influenza vaccines are made. Currently, seasonal flu vaccines in the United States are also made without adjuvants.
If needed, an adjuvant is a component that can be incorporated into a vaccine to help to generate a stronger immune response to the vaccine and help prevent disease. Squalene is a compound found in many natural sources, such as olive oil, that can act as an adjuvant and is used as an adjuvant in vaccines in many countries.
The evaluation of any vaccine by the Food and Drug Administration considers the safety, effectiveness, and the immune response and includes consideration of all components of the vaccine.
MF59 is not approved but can be given if the government declares an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). President made such a declaration on Oct 23.
If the U.S. Department of Health and Human services spends almost a billion dollars to buy an adjuvanted vaccine, where do you think they are going to use it?
As for the reaction rate, show me the Product Insert of the vaccines used where the reactions occured. The vaccine is not the problem, the adjuvant is. I'm betting the reactions match exactly with use of the Novartis "Focetria" vaccine.
Please read my posts above, from the Novartis web site and the Washington Post that tells us adjuvants are being used and MF59 is in play.
Some of this year's H1N1 flu vaccine IS NOT made the same way previous ones have been made because the Novartis vaccine contains MF59, squalene, adjuvant. None of the flu vaccine programs of the recent past have used adjuvants. This is a stunning government and media misrepresentation. The government is being disgustingly disingenuous in the description and the media too compliant to question what they are fed.
Yes, squalene is found in many natural sources and can be eaten or used on the skin. However, this is irrelevant. Injected squalene is viewed by the immune system as an invader. Worse, the oil emulsion encapsulating it can set the immune system off against bodily oils, and then mayhem can ensue.
If squalene is used safely in many other countries, why has the FDA not approved it? Why did the government need the ruse of an EUA to slip it to us? They have not even explained this to the public because they haven't yet been caught, but the alibi is in place for when they do have to explain.
These school kids, and their parents, should have been told about the VAERS system prior to taking the shot. Were they? Then, when kids are passing out and having seizures, no official admits what has happened and claims most of them are "sympathy" reactions? Perhaps they are worried that, while the government has declared they cannot be sued for medical malpractice, a school system can be? Ironically, it isn't anything the school system has failed to do. The state department of health is the entity who could have, and should have, known what was coming. If I, a layman, figured it out when it is NOT my job, the health department should have figured it out since it IS their job.
There is a snake somewhere in this woodpile as shown by the failure to advise of the VAERS program and the refusal to explain what happened to the most severely injured students. These officials are inviting pitchforks at torches at their offices. You can screw around with many things and get away with it, but not when people's children are involved.
I am an Obama supporter, but this nefarious endeavor has been in operation since at least the Clinton administration and I don't think any of the presidents knew about it. In fact, the 1976 flu fiasco shows signs of the start of the program since Guillain-Barre syndrome is a prime autoimmune reaction to injected squalene.
The government is playing with devastating fire here. And, worse, they are playing with it at the expense of our children, as some of those in Caledonia are finding out.
I regret the worst may be yet to come as autoimmune disorders can take up to years to appear once the immune system is corrupted. Believe me, I know.
matt | 11/6/2009 2:44:00 PMmark as inappropriate adjuvanted vaccine is not being used period. just because there is a declared emergency does not allow anyone to go around the approval process. where do you get this nonsense from?
Novartis Influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine was approved by the FDA on September 15, 2009. The A(H1N1) vaccine is an inactivated subunit vaccine approved for active immunization of persons 4 years of age and older, including patients with underlying chronic medical conditions. The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded Novartis two contracts totaling USD 979 million for purchase of H1N1 bulk vaccine and the Novartis proprietary MF59 adjuvant."
MF59 adjuvant, APPROVED by HHS, who paid almost a billion dollars to Novartis for adjuvated vaccine.
And, from the Washington Post:
"The National Vaccine Advisory Committee's H1N1 Vaccine Safety Working Group will review the results of data being collected by the government to detect any problems with the vaccine as soon as possible.
According to a summary of data the panel will review, about 10,352 people have received the injected vaccine and 501 have gotten the FluMist nasal spray in 13 studies funded by the Health and Human Services Department's Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.
Of those who received the injections, 6,098 got standard vaccine while 4,254 received shots containing a substance known as an "adjuvant," which is designed to boost the effectiveness but is not being used widely. That included 5,776 adults and 4,576 children. "
Note: 4,254 children received shots containing a substance known as an 'adjuvant'. I wonder if any of the 4,576 children were in Caledonia?
"The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-276; "the Act"), among other provisions, established the comprehensive Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) program. EUA permits the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to approve the emergency use of drugs, devices, and medical products (including diagnostics) that were not previously approved, cleared, or licensed by FDA (hereafter, "unapproved") or the off-label use of approved products in certain well-defined emergency situations. EUA provides physicians and public health officials with an important new tool with wide-reaching implications for medical care under emergency conditions. More detailed information on FDA's policies for authorizing the use of an unapproved medical product or an unapproved use of an approved medical product during a declared emergency can be found in the draft FDA guidance document made available on July 5, 2005 (1).
ladyhawk | 11/7/2009 5:48:00 AMmark as inappropriate BC:
You said: "in 1976 swine flu vaccine. Forty million Americans were vaccinated, and 500 cases of GBS were reported with 25 deaths. Hummm.. 25 out of 40 MILLION!"
Perhaps you would not be so ready to accept these 25 deaths if it were someone in your family. Some people do not wish their life to be an acceptable "statistic" and I am one of them.
Mr. Jordan is correct regarding the adjuvant squalene, ask the Persian Gulf vets who are ill and were "Ordered" to take anthrax vaccine with the adjuvant squalene. They had ZERO knowledge of what they were being injected with. Now it has been determined that approx 25% of 697000 (when you do the math it is approx 175000+) soldiers are ill (GWIandHealthofGWVeterans_RAC-GWVIReport_2008), and it is potentially this vaccine that has made them ill. Maybe those statistics do not matter to you either as you are likely not a soldier who served in the Gulf in 90/91.
sniswonger | 11/7/2009 9:43:00 AMmark as inappropriate i am one of the students that reciever the H1N1 vaccine at Caledonia High. I had an allergic reaction to the shot and i got sent to the hospital! i had shortness of breath seziure like symptom, as in shaking eyes rolling in the back of my head, i had fever, vomitting, and the nurses and doctors there that were on call told me and my family that i was haveing a allergic reaction to the shot! everyone i seen there inluding the other 2 girls that rode with me in the ambulance were NOT faking at all. the media is just full of bs, they just want to give out positive information of the vaccine to try to manipulate u into getting it. the shot we recieved was Novartis, my youngest brother and sister were suppose to get it also that same day, and now they won recieve it at all. they set another dte to re-give the shot Now. 12. It shoulnt be allowed! so for all of you who say it was "sympathy" or "fake" reactions dont know what you are talking about, bc u simply were not there with us while it wa happening!
sniswonger | 11/7/2009 9:49:00 AMmark as inappropriate i am one of the students that reciever the H1N1 vaccine at Caledonia High. I had an allergic reaction to the shot and i got sent to the hospital! i had shortness of breath seziure like symptom, as in shaking eyes rolling in the back of my head, i had fever, vomitting, and the nurses and doctors there that were on call told me and my family that i was haveing a allergic reaction to the shot! everyone i seen there inluding the other 2 girls that rode with me in the ambulance were NOT faking at all. the media is just full of bs, they just want to give out positive information of the vaccine to try to manipulate u into getting it. the shot we recieved was Novartis, my youngest brother and sister were suppose to get it also that same day, and now they won recieve it at all. they set another dte to re-give the shot Now. 12. It shoulnt be allowed! so for all of you who say it was "sympathy" or "fake" reactions dont know what you are talking about, bc u simply were not there with us while it wa happening!
ruby | 11/7/2009 9:57:00 AMmark as inappropriate sniswonger, i hope you are feeling better along with the other students, i have 2 boys one in high school and one in jr high at caledonia, they will not be getting the vaccine, we had already decided against it, i am so sorry that the "press" and "health dept" and for all the other ignorant people who tried to blame the students for having the "sympathy" reactions, they took something very real and scary and tried to turn it so that it wouldnt look bad .. my prayers are with you and the others, hope you recover quickly....
HH | 11/7/2009 10:32:00 AMmark as inappropriate sniswonger, I also hope you are feeling better along with the rest of the students. If the shot you received was indeed the one manufactured by Novartis, then that definately needs to be addressed. I have researched some of the info Mr. Jordan suggested and I even found a preliminary report from the New England Journal of Medicine (dated Sept 10, 2009) on the H1N1 2009 Monovalent MF59 - Adjuvanted Vaccine. It is my understanding too that since our current administration declared the H1N1 situation an "emergency" that many rules and regs can be bypassed. Regardless, I am so sorry for you and the other students and I pray for a speedy recovery. I am also sorry the very organization that is supposed to provide correct health information to the public failed to do so.
Mr. Jordan | 11/7/2009 10:57:00 AMmark as inappropriate Say, where did "Matt" go? :-)
Ladyhawk,
Your reference to Gulf War Syndrome is appropriate, but the shennanigans continued with the military anthrax vaccinations in 2000 and 2003, at the least, in the military.
The anthrax vaccine manufacturer, Bioport (now Biothrax), in their Product Insert that accompanies each vaccine package, list ailments that arose coincidentally with administration of their anthrax shot (P. 5 of the Insert). This does not mean the shot caused the ailments, but consider...
MF59, squalene, adjuvant has not been FDA approved because it caused autoimmune disorders in animal experiments, and all of the ailments listed in the Bioport Product Insert are...autoimmune disorders.
The military steadfastly insisted there was no squalene (MF59) in the anthrax shot until 2002 when the FDA tested the first 50 vaccine lot numbers and found squalene in five of them, or 10% of the total. This allowed adverse reactions within that 10% to be masked by the lack of problems with the other 90%.
Also curious was the array of the squalene amounts the FDA found. They roughly doubled in amount in progressive lot numbers, an unlikely probability. Also curious is that a standard vaccine experiment, called a dose range study, is used to identify toxicity and effectiveness thresholds for vaccines, and this is done by...repeatedly doubling the amount in progressive lot numbers.
When problems did arise, the military often dismissed the ailments as allergic reactions or as not being caused by the shot. They said the sufferers were just "afraid of shots", or opposed all vaccines (some sort of kooks), or that the soldiers were faking their ailments and were malingerers.
Somehow, this has a familiar ring to it.
They got away with it with the military, and now they have moved on to the general population. Enjoy.
matt | 11/7/2009 11:39:00 AMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan are you a MD? you are quoting studies not statistics done on just anyone. you can go to flu.gov and read about the myths. If adjuvants are so terrible however then none of the people posting on here should give their children DTP,HPV,MMR, or hepatitis vaccines. People can have reactions from any vaccine and all the ones I named above contain adjuvants. Have your children had these vaccines Mr. Jordan? If you got bitten by an animal known to have rabies would you skip the shots because they have adjuvants? Everyone can do as they like but this vaccine is no different then any others and even though they don't contain adjuvants even if they did they would still be safe. H1N1 will kill far more people then the vaccine I can gurantee you that.
No, I'm not an MD, but I know a very astute immunologist.
You say this H1N1 vaccine is no different than any others, yet you ignore HHS buying a billion dollars worth of Novartis H1N1, MF59, adjuvanted vaccine? Is that different?
You said: "Just because there is a declared emergency does not allow anyone to go around the approval process. where do you get this nonsense from?"
Did you not read the definition of an EUA I posted that directly contradicts what your statement?
sniswonger | 11/7/2009 1:07:00 PMmark as inappropriate hanks you for your praryers ruby and HH, and Novartis is for sure the shot we recieved, bc as we was goin into the gym to get it they gave us a card, it had the date the time we recieved the shot and what it was called! i checked and it was Novartis, i took the shot at 8:21a.m. and at 8:40a.m. i was dizzy and running fever, my techer took me to the gym and i layed on a cot for about an hour and from there the ambulance arrived and took us to the er. while i was in the ambulance i devoloped shortness of breathe, i was gasping for air. went into seziures, and i have never had a seziure before until then and i am 18 yrs old! so now do i have to worry about me having seziures again or what?
Matt | 11/7/2009 1:30:00 PMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan why not answer my question about if you children or you have received any of the other vaccines that contain adjuvants? Whats the difference this is an emergency situation but none of the meds contain adjuvants. Have you or your children ever received a mmr,dtp,hpv,or hepatitis vaccine? If the answer is yes then please explain the difference to me. You seemed to not have anything to say about that. All those vaccines contain adjuvants.
Matt | 11/7/2009 1:34:00 PMmark as inappropriate I know our governor does that make me an expert on mississippi politics? LMAO @ Mr. Jordan
Hang on to that card that identifies the shot as being made by Novartis. I'm glad we got confirmation on that.
Matt,
One daughter took the hpv vaccine and I was not happy about it, but she is 21 so it wasn't my decision.
Knowing the governor would mean I had access to good political information, not that I would be an expert on politics.
Now you can answer why you didn't know about the EUA, or that Novartis spiked their H1N1 vaccine with MF59 which means it IS different from other flu vaccines.
Explain, also, how I guessed that Caledonia got the Novartis vaccine and, apparently, they did?
To continue on the military anthrax shot, let me give you a partial list of the ailments that arose while taking the six-shot anthrax series from Bioport. The Bioport Product Insert lists these technical terms but does not define them. So I went to Wikipedia for the definitions.
Remember, the FDA did not approve MF59 because it caused AUTOIMMUNE disorders in animal experiments.
Brace yourself:
PEMPHIGUS VULGARIS: Pemphigus, or commonly referred to as "PV", is an AUTO-IMMUNE blistering disorder of the skin and mucous membranes where those afflicted suffer from burn-like lesions all over their bodies. The sores may never heal in some cases or may not heal for extended periods of time. Some patients can coexist with the disease for years, while others will die a slow and complicated death.
ENDOCARDITIS: is an inflammation of the inner layer of the heart, the endocardium. The most common structures involved are the heart valves. The valves may be damaged congenitally, from surgery, by AUTO-IMMUNE mechanisms, or simply as a consequence of old age.
SEPSIS: is a serious medical condition, resulting from the IMMUNE response to a severe infection.
APLASTIC ANEMIA: is a condition where bone marrow does not produce sufficient new cells to replenish blood cells. One known cause is an AUTOIMMUNE DISORDER, where the white blood cells attack the bone marrow.
NEUTROPENIA, Neutropenia (or neutropaenia, adjective neutrop(a)enic) is a hematological disorder characterized by an abnormally low number of neutrophil granulocytes (a type of white blood cell). AUTOIMMUNE neutropenia -- most common in infants and young children where the body identifies the neutrophils as enemies and makes antibody to destroy them.
COLLAGEN VASCULAR DISEASE: A connective tissue disease is any disease that has the connective tissues of the body as a primary target of pathology. Many connective tissue diseases feature ABNORMAL IMMUNE SYSTEM activity with inflammation in tissues as a result of an immune system that is directed against one's own body tissues (AUTOIMMUNITY).
POLYARTERITIS NODOSA: is a serious blood vessel disease. Small and medium-sized arteries become swollen and damaged when they are attacked by rogue IMMUNE cells.
TRANSVERSE MYELITIS: is a neurological disorder caused by a loss of the myelin encasing the spinal cord, also known as demyelination. This demyelination arises idiopathically following infections or vaccination, or due to multiple sclerosis. One major theory of the cause is that an IMMUNE-MEDIATED INFLAMMATION is present as the result of exposure to a viral antigen.
GUILLAIN-BARRE SYNDROME: is an acute, AUTOIMMUNE, polyradiculoneuropathy affecting the peripheral nervous system, usually triggered by an acute infectious process...It is frequently severe and usually exhibits as an ascending paralysis noted by weakness in the legs that spreads to the upper limbs and the face along with complete loss of deep tendon reflexes. With prompt treatment with immunoglobulins and supportive care, majority of patients will regain full functional capacity. However, death may occur if severe pulmonary complications and dysautonomia are present.
ASEPTIC MENINGITIS: is a condition in which the layers lining of the brain, or meninges, become inflamed and a pyogenic bacterial source is not to blame... Aseptic meningitis can result from non-infectious causes; it is a relatively infrequent side effect of medications, and can be an early finding in AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE.
GLOMERULONEPHRITIS: is a primary or secondary AUTOIMMUNE renal (kidney) disease characterized by inflammation of the glomeruli.
SYSTEMIC LUPUS ERTHEMATOSUS: is a chronic AUTOIMMUNE disease that is potentially debilitating and sometimes fatal as the immune system attacks the body's cells and tissue, resulting in inflammation and tissue damage. SLE can affect any part of the body, but most often harms the heart, joints, skin, lungs, blood vessels, liver, kidneys and nervous system.
This type of inflammation from an autoimmune response can also result in the following from the Product Insert list of reported ailments coincident with the anthrax shot.
ENCEPHALITIS: is an acute inflammation of the brain, commonly caused by a viral infection.
MYOCARDITIS: is inflammation of the myocardium, the muscular part of the heart... Immunological:
Cardiomyopathy: which literally means "heart muscle disease", is the deterioration of the function of the myocardium (i.e., the actual heart muscle) for any reason. People with cardiomyopathy are often at risk of arrhythmia and/or sudden cardiac death.
ATRIAL FIBRILLATION: Atrial fibrillation (AF or afib) is an abnormal heart rhythm (cardiac arrhythmia) which involves the two small, upper heart chambers (the atria).
SYNCOPE: is also the medical term for fainting.
ANGIOENDEMA: is the rapid swelling (edema) of the skin, mucosa and submucosal tissues. Cases where angioedema progresses rapidly should be treated as a medical emergency as airway obstruction and suffocation can occur.
CEREBROVASCULAR ACCIDENT (CVA), stroke.
MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
Ladyhawk | 11/8/2009 5:53:00 AMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan,
Thank you for this info. I am all to well aware of the consequences; I am one of the "victims". I will not bore anyone with the myriad of conditions I have been suffering from for several years; it is far too long. Suffice to say, it is quite real and I am the one who is "living" with it. Further, it is absolutely certain that I am not the only one.
My neurologist explained that in the 70's ANA research found squalene causes, at the very least, auto immunity. I have also read these research documents myself.
Think we may have the same immunologist friend. Wonderful person.
Matt,
Not sure why you asked Mr. Jordan if he is a MD, one does not have to be a physician or a rocket scientist to be able to read, comprehend and make informed decisions. Take the vaccine if you want, you will be the one to live with the potential consequences. At least you have the opportunity to make an informed decision and are not being "ordered" to take it.
My regrets on your condition. My current ailment is angioendema that I am "thoroughly" enjoying. What part of me will swell up like a balloon next?
Given what happened to some of my compatriots, however, I'm glad that is all I have so far, ten years after. Several cases of lupus and several strokes hit the group initially, along with other ailments such as tinitus (ringing in the ears), heart lesions and spinal tumors. The basal stem stroke was probably the worst and the closest any of us came to death from it.
sniswonger,
Here are the questions you need to ask of that lady at MHS whose nickname is "tree".
Did the Novartis vaccine you took contain an adjuvant?
(Probably response: "What's an adjuvant?")
If she says "no", show her the quote from the Novartis web site that says they are using MF59.
If she says "yes", ask her on what authority that adjuvant is being used because the FDA has not approved MF59.
This will require her to let the cat out of the bag about the Emergency Use Authorization and you might make national news. No one has figured out that the EUA will be their alibi when this is discovered and you can make them say it.
It seems you would still not make the local news, however, since they have dropped the story without revealing the drastic level of reactions, such as yours. One wonders whose side they are on, because they do not seem to be on yours.
Lindsay | 11/8/2009 7:23:00 PMmark as inappropriate Nice twisting of the data there hoping nobody would catch it.
That article on adjuvant is speaking to the STUDIES/volunteer test groups, not the general population receiving injectible vaccine.
Lindsay | 11/8/2009 7:25:00 PMmark as inappropriate Also, why no mention of the 40 MILLION seasonal flu vaccines that have been administered in the EU with this adjuvant. Huge data set with no indicators of any issues thus far.
The EU gives the shot only to elderly people where adjuvant problems can been seen as "normal" in their age group.
How did the ailments look in the Caledonia schoolkids? Tell me of any other vaccination that results in multiple seizures. Or, maybe you don't think anything actually happened in Caledonia?
Ladyhawk and I can tell you about test groups because we were in one in the military with the anthrax shot, except they neglected to inform us what they were doing to us.
Also, tell me why HHS spent a billion dollars on Novartis H1N1 vaccine with MF59 adjuvant if they were not going to use it on the population, especially when they are taking heat for a flu vaccine shortage? The Caledonia kids got cards identifying their shot manufacturer as Novartis.
As some of us have seen, they don't always tell you when you have become a guinea pig.
Ladyhawk | 11/9/2009 4:20:00 AMmark as inappropriate Having lived in Europe for 11 1/2 years I can say for certain the majority of people I have known (not 40 million but a good number) do not take any vaccines, my doctors there certainly would not. Even my doctor here in US will not take it.
Auto immunity does not normally present immediately, more likely over time and usually is progressive. If someone expects that when folks are given a vaccine with squalene as an adjuvant that the immediate response is auto immunity they are not familiar with how the immune system works.
In any case, ignorance is bliss and Darwin's theory will prevail.
As I said in an earlier post, take the injection, play Russian Roulette, it's your life, make a decision and take responsibility for it, at least you have the opportunity to decide for yourself.............
Matt | 11/9/2009 9:09:00 AMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan did your daughter not also get dtp,mmr, and possibly hepatitis vaccines?
I suppose she did twenty years ago. I remind you the government says no vaccines with adjuvants other than alum are being given in America, what does that tell us? What does it tell you?
Meanwhile, what about the EUA you didn't know about?
Ladyhawk,
When I got the first spiked shot, I got a nodule the size of a marble in my arm that lasted for two weeks, until just before I took the second shot.
I found this odd since I had never had any such reaction to a shot. The shot literature said reactions would be "like any other shot" redness, soreness, swelling, nausea, etc. Aside from soreness from a typhoid shot, I never had any of the other immediate ailments and never a nodule, that arose because my body had gone berserk and what had been put in it and sent the immune system to fight it (something it is still doing ten years later).
I had heard about "bone pain" from warning articles we had read (but, unwisely, disbelieved) and had no idea what that meant. I soon found out.
What was your experience? I think the folks need to know in case it is happening again in Caledonia.
Matt | 11/9/2009 10:51:00 AMmark as inappropriate Who knew you could find so many idiots in one place. Please tell me where in Europe you lived where people don't take vaccines. In the underdeveloped countries where people cannot afford certain vaccines and they are not widely available people still die of horrible diseases. Why? Do you not think they would love to have vaccines available to them? While here in America you have people like Mr. Jordan who has had all his vaccinations and been protected his entire life but wants to make them out to be some sort of conspiracy. Vaccines save the lives of millions of people each year.
If you were traveling to brazil or kenya would you receive the necessary vaccinations or just wing it?
Yours is one of the standard alibis, if you question one vaccination you are questioning all vaccinations,so what kind of kook are you? The military used the same dodge to demonize us as shirkers and kooks as the Mississippi State Health Departments seems to doing by dismissing some of the reactions as "sympathetic".
Why didn't you know about the EUA, Matt?
HK | 11/9/2009 2:34:00 PMmark as inappropriate I want Mr. Jordan to be my doctor.. :) smart man.. I am impressed..
Matt | 11/9/2009 2:45:00 PMmark as inappropriate You answer none of my question and don't seem to understand what I am saying. How is this vaccine different?
Matt | 11/9/2009 2:47:00 PMmark as inappropriate The H1N1 is the exact same as the regular flu shot except for the strain. It would have been included in the seasonal flu shot if the medicine had been available.
sniswonger | 11/9/2009 8:08:00 PMmark as inappropriate what is the MHS??? i am very interested in taking this futher because i feel like the media just talks crap about caledonia and us students then encourgages people to take the shot. let me kno exactly what i should do n who to talk to.
cheryl | 11/10/2009 9:27:00 AMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan....my hats off to you...you are very intelligent and I appreciate all of the information you have stated here!! I am sorry for what happened to you because of a vaccine. My kids are 14 and 17 and I will NOT be getting the H1N1 vaccination for them. My first "gutt" reaction was NO and I have learned that we definitely should follow our "gutt" reaction.
and Matt....you should just DROP the conversation. You obviously like to argue and "stir the pot"!
MHS should be MSDH, Mississippi State Department of Health. The spokesperson there, who seems to have evaporated, is Dr. Rebecca "Tree" James.
A second person of record is Lowndes County School District Superintendent Mike Halford who, although being more forthcoming that others, has also evaporated on the issue.
If we assumed these people were primarily concerned with protecting the public and the school children assigned to them, we would hear them explaining precisely what happened and what they were doing about it.
For instance, Dr. James would be issuing a statement telling us precisely what ailments arose at Caledonia, if the students who suffered "sympathetic" (her term) reactions were even present when the two most seriously ill students were affected, who the vaccine manufacturer was, whether the package insert listed MF59 adjuvant, what she had reported about the episode to state and national authorities (VAERS), and what changes she might be making in the program.
Mr. Halford would be issuing a statement telling the parents of the students under his charge everything that transpired to include proper identification of the ailments (seizures?), what the student's current medical status is, and what he is doing to more closely monitor future shot programs.
I don't know if you have heard any such answers from those responsible, but I have not.
Of course, it does not help when the newspaper of record, the Dispatch, refuses to cover the story, has not interviewed the injured students and the families after a cursory story the first day of the episode, has not provided any follow up with Dr. James or Mr. Halford, and is now quietly waiting for these stories to slip off the "most commented upon" list so they can be done with the story. Perhaps Mr. Imes can explain his paper's actions in his "Roses and Thorns" column, where I hope he would accept a thorn for the Dispatch?
I wish I could give you hope that those responsible will behave responsibly, but I cannot. I watched the military do a total fold on this same issue and they got away with it. Now, emboldened, the program has moved from injuring our front line troops (failure to protect those who protect us), to injuring America's children. Quite a commentary. And, as in the military, every social mechanism designed to prevent such a travesty has capitulated on its duty.
Now, perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I am a deluded conspiracy nut who is slandering the good efforts of the government and frightening people unnecessarily. In that case, the three persons I listed above should be all over me with the correct information to make me look the fool and to reassure the public.
But, you notice, they are not. They are hunkered in their bunkers waiting for the story to fade from public discussion.
I leave it to the readers to decide where the truth might lie, and what measures might be taken to make these people perform the job we are paying them to do.
Mr. Jordan | 11/10/2009 11:31:00 PMmark as inappropriate School District Superintendent Mike Halford has reappeared on the flu shot episode at Caledonia.
He is reported in the Dispatch on Tuesday as saying the students who suffered adverse reactions Wednesday are back in school and "I imagine we can close the book on this until we give the next vaccination." Although, he is "unaware" of any students receiving additional medical attention over the weekend.
What? How about telling the folks what happened to the students? Did they suffer seizures (that verboten word that no offical dare speak)? Were the "sympathy" distress victims actually just scared reactions, or were they the actual anaphylactic shock victims since they had trouble breathing, which is the prime characteristic of such an ailment?
Was this Novartis vaccine, and if it was, did the package insert list an adjuvant? How many students got Novartis vaccine, and how many got some other brand? What brand are the next set of shot takers going to get?
Did Mr. Halford speak to the students and their parents? (Apparently not).
Does Mr. Halford know what went wrong here, and if something did, is he going to prevent it from happening next time?
I suppose he can "imagine we can close the book on (Caledonia)," but if you didn't learn anything from it, it will do you no good.
There are many questions unanswered about what happened at Caledonia, and Mr. Halford had better pray they don't happen again next time.
Shafiya | 11/11/2009 3:09:00 PMmark as inappropriate Thank you all for posting, and please help to get out accurate information. The media is often full of bs, both accidentally and on purpose. Please consider going to the website: www.mercola.com--This is a website that has been on the web for decades, maintained by a doctor devoted to natural health and well-being. He has been working to relay accurate information to the public. I urge those with the truth about what has happened in Mississippi to visit his website and post there. The vaccine industry may not be trusted, (huge amounts of money able to be made). An incident with Baxter pharmaceutical in Europe early this year proved this. A Benedictine nun, and former public health doctor in Spain, reports on what has happened in Europe in a very scientifically based presentation of the facts in a kind and loving manner even though the ramifications of what she presents are extremely disconcerning. The video may be seen on www.youtube.com, simply google, Bell Tolling for the Swine Flu and/or Teresa Forcades
shafiya | 11/11/2009 3:30:00 PMmark as inappropriate For those of you in Caledonia who have received the vaccine, the mercola site, www.mercola.com, also has posted some things you may do to reduce reactions to the toxins in the vaccines, though it may a bit late, perhaps, some of things mentioned may help. Also, in the case of neurological disorders, hyperbaric oxygen therapy has proven helpful in some conditions, for example, use with autistic children. Take care and may God bless.
ladyhawk | 11/11/2009 4:27:00 PMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan,
Our story, the military one, is of course over a pretty long time span, just as the Agent Orange story is. The story is a long one, suffice it to say that for many years those who were ill with what WAS called GWS (Gulf War Syndrome) now significantly deemed GWI (Gulf War Illness) have fought a very courageous battle, the battle I am speaking of is not one on the battlefield in the desert but here in my own country with those whom we represented and trusted. We fully understand that we are here for the service of our country and we perform our duty with honor, well, most of us anyway. As you are aware this is a very long and agonizing saga, many deaths already from ALS, brain cancer (I have already lost 2 friends/colleagues to brain cancer) etc.... In any case, this topic is for a different forum.
My only advice is that if one is able to make an informed decision one should do so, then take responsibility for it. God gave us a brain for a reason, people need to do their homework, at least in this case they have the option, something we did not have.
A final note for Matt,
I wish you well with what ever you decide, it is your decision, be thankful you have the right to make it. If you feel so strongly about taking this vaccine then by all means do so. It is your life..........
You were correct in noting that Europeans do take some vaccinations, I misspoke. I am not by any means an idiot though. Of the Europeans I know (including my own physicians), from both East and West Europe, I can without a doubt state they DO NOT, as a rule, take flu vaccines. Although I am no longer living there I can assure you that this still holds true.
Ladyhawk
deputy peop | 11/12/2009 12:26:00 AMmark as inappropriate There were kids at a school in NYC that reacted the same way I believe it was late last week or early this week. Had to be taken to the hospital, several kids.
Krisa | 11/12/2009 8:45:00 AMmark as inappropriate Mr. Jordan thank you so much for all the info. I had already decided not to have my child vaccinated.I am up on her vit d (always have been)she takes a great multi and cod liver oil. She gets 10 hours of sleep a night and I don't "overload" her schedule. School and homework-projects come first. I try to control her diet and for the most part eats very healthy. I don't restrict her when there is a birthday at school or if she wants the free cookie at the grocery store. Where has this gotten us? An amazingly healthy 8 years old who has not had a sick day from school in over 2 years. Has not been on antibiotic in over 5 years. The little girl who sits next to her in school had the flu at the start of the school year and was concerned about my daughter catching it. 2months later no flu for my daughter. We are very blessed that she has always been healthy. Her sickest days were when she was little, I am sure from all the childhood vaccinations. There needs to be more awarness on the dangers of this h1n1 vaccine.
lien | 11/16/2009 1:46:00 AMmark as inappropriate One girl got the vacine and she was bleeding out of her ears, is there anyone else that had this symptom?
I just found this site today looking for answers. I am 28 years old, last year I came down with touretts syndrome, a nerological disorder. It started about the first week of november 2008, doctors think that I have had it my whole life but I have never had any symptoms before. I heard about getting flu shots and the reactions, I had a regular Flu shot october 21 2008, the first flu shot I have ever had. At first the symptoms was just a small twitch for about 2 to 3 weeks, then got real bad. I now stomp my feet really hard, make really loud noises, and alot of uncontroled body movements. The intenseity comes and go all day long, some times just small twitches and other are bad. My doctors keep asking me well when did you first notice these movements, kinda afraid they wont believe me if I tell them about the flu shot thing. And I can not say 100 percent that this is what has caused it, things don't seem to be getting any worse or any better, but I will tell you I will not be getting anymore shots, just in case. I have had to fight the flu before for a week, I think I'll live, I've live with this disorder for a year now.
