CALEDONIA — Parents of Caledonia elementary and middle school students are re-evaluating whether or not to allow their children to receive the H1N1 vaccine after nine high-school students went to the hospital Wednesday with complications from the vaccine.
“I won’t be allowing my son to take it,” Ernie Philem, the father of a fourth-grader at Caledonia Elementary, said Thursday afternoon at the school. “I had already decided before all this happened. My wife had doubts about my decision, then when this happened she’s behind me 100 percent.”
Nine students were transported to Baptist Memorial Hospital–Golden Triangle Wednesday, with symptoms ranging from hives, fever, shortness of breath and other reactions after being administered the swine flu vaccine at school, through a partnership with the Mississippi State Department of Health and the Mississippi University for Women nursing department.
One student remained in care after eight others were treated and released; another student returned to the emergency room Wednesday night.
The reactions have caused apprehension among parents.
“There’s just a little bit of hesitation,” said Shannon Voss, mother of a fifth-grader and a seventh-grader at Caledonia. “I think the vaccine is probably safe. I think it was probably just not a very good batch (Wednesday). Still, my kids are a little worried.”
Both the LCSD and Columbus Municipal School District received multiple calls from concerned parents Thursday asking if future vaccinations would proceed as planned. H1N1 vaccines will continue to be administered at the schools in concert with the MSDH and local medical professionals.
“It was just side effects,” said Jill Lester, who has a daughter at Caledonia Elementary School. “(Students) freaked out over it and (school officials) stopped it, and it was the right thing to do. But I am grateful my daughter can have this vaccine because the actual illness has killed many, whereas the vaccine has killed none.”
According to information provided to parents with vaccination consent letters, risks from the inactivated H1N1 vaccine are similar to those from the seasonal flu vaccine: soreness, redness, tenderness or swelling at the injection site, fainting, headache, muscle aches, fever or nausea. Life-threatening reactions to vaccines are rare.
After research, MSDH officials determined nothing was wrong with the vaccine doses used Wednesday at Caledonia.
“Once we ascertained what batch it was and where it was given out, it was not considered a batch problem,” said Liz Sharlot, director of communication for MSDH.
Hundreds of students were treated from the same batch with no reported problems, Sharlot added, noting allergic reactions in a small percentage of individuals are not unusual. Hundreds of students at Columbus schools and other Lowndes County schools were administered the vaccine without incident.
Lowndes County School District Superintendent Mike Halford reported two of the nine students transported to the hospital Wednesday were back in school Thursday. Others planned to return Friday or Monday.
MUW nursing students had just finished administering the vaccine to all willing CHS students when the reactions developed, prompting officials to postpone plans to continue vaccinating middle and elementary school students.
“We don’t want to give people the impression it was just a bunch of anxious kids reacting. We stopped it because of that. The reactions were far more than hives, I can promise you,” said Halford.
The MSDH partnering with medical professionals and school districts to provide the injectable swine flu vaccine to students throughout the state.
Oktibbeha and Starkville schools have made plans to allow on-site inoculation at its schools; MSDH officials making the rounds at school districts throughout the state have yet to address the West Point school board.
The injectable vaccine is made from killed flu virus and is considered safe for everyone 6 months and older who is able to take a seasonal flu vaccine without side effects. Those with allergies to eggs are at high risk for allergic reactions to flu vaccines.
More than 1,200 Mississippi cases of H1N1 swine flu have been confirmed by laboratory testing since May 15.
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Robert | 11/6/2009 1:53:00 PMmark as inappropriate Seems to be a statistical dissimilarity here if we hear others schools had reported no problems and "hundreds of students were treated with the same batch with no reported problems" does not explain it away. My gut tells me 9 of "hundreds" is higher than 0 of all others in area vaccinated.
Dispatch should ask MSDH the hard questions. Is the percentage of adverse reactions with this batch higher? How does this percentage of adverse reactions (type that send folsk to the hospital) compare to those across the nation? Was the batch handled appropriately all the way up to administering it?
I believe the vaccine is safe and have gotten the mist for my kids. The risks of H1N1 outweigh the risks of this vaccine. Ms Lester said it best. I have not heard of anyone dying from the vaccine.
AC | 11/6/2009 4:23:00 PMmark as inappropriate I am glad that Ms. Lester's child can have the vaccine. But, I can assure her that it was not a "side effect" it was a severe reaction to the vaccine that caused my child to be transported twice to the ER. My child was not "freaked out" she was confulsive, having seizures and at times catatonic. Very real and terrifying for both my daughter and us.
HH | 11/6/2009 5:21:00 PMmark as inappropriate I am so sorry for the children that did have the reactions to the vaccination and I pray they will have a full recovery. The vaccine concerns me because it was fast-tracked. There have been no large studies done on this vaccine, and really, there are no long-term studies done on any vaccines. What is also a MAJOR concern is that the Mississippi State Dept of Health gave inaccurate information when questioned about the reactions. According to the fact sheet published by the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, signs of a SEVERE ALLERGIC REACTION can include difficulty breathing, hoarsness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness.
HF | 11/6/2009 8:06:00 PMmark as inappropriate I disagree with everyone except AC because I was there. My friend was the first to go down and I stood over her while she gasped for breath. Then I returned later that night and watched her convulse and go in and out of responsiveness for hours. Maybe I'd take what you say seriously if you were there, but you weren't Robert, and honestly you think now the risk of H1N1 outweigh the risk of the shot, well it doesn't. I do not wish bad things on anyone, but I do not believe you have a right to comment on how "fake" and "safe" the shot is until you witness first hand you child, or best friend going through this. I watched my friend in pain, I watched her cry, and it hurt every second, I watched as they stuck needles in her arms over and over again trying to figure out the reasons for what was going on. So please, for everyone's sake, do not even try and begin to throw your hackneyed theories at the ones who were there. And Robert I'm not speaking only to you, but to everyone. And a little piece of info for you guys, 9 people have died of the vaccine. Agreed it's less that the virus, but it's still 9. It could have easily been 9 more Wednesday. I'm not a doctor, but I can copy and paste off a website all day telling you this and that, but in the end, how do we know it's the truth? They could be feeding us a bunch of bull crap and we'll never know. But I know one thing is certain, it was not "fake."
SN | 11/6/2009 10:35:00 PMmark as inappropriate My daughter,was also taking to the hospital from a allergic reaction due to the H1n1 shot and by no means it was a sympathic reaction or fake!!!I dont know who or how someone could come up with such crap...Seriously how do fake shortness a breath,seizures,fever..NO you can't it was all REAL.I watched my daughter suffer through this,and it is scary.As a parent you do what is best for your children.How is this possiable from what has happened not just to my daughter but to all of them.From this I or no one else in my family will ever receive this vaccine.
HH | 11/7/2009 7:34:00 AMmark as inappropriate According to the fact sheet published by the CDC, these serious reactions should be reported to the Vaccine Advers Event Reporting System (VAERS). You can file this report through the VAERS website at www.vaers.hhs.gov, or by calling 1-800-822-7967.
SWilliams | 11/7/2009 7:46:00 AMmark as inappropriate An allergic reaction is a dangerous scary situation. Parents should reconsider the vaccine after what happen to these students. Many people have had reactions from the seasonal flu vaccines over the years as well. The seasonal flu vaccine caused dystonia in an NFL cheerleader just a few months ago. She is disabled now and can hardly speak or walk.The CDC first stated children needed two vaccines then they decided on one. Google Dr. Mercola and view his videos about vaccine safety. A strong immune system is the best defense against the flu. Vitamin C and D is being reported to assist in flu prevention. The immune system becomes weakened with each flu vaccination. Everyone has to decide for themselves if they think the vaccine is not only safe but effective. Not many people trust what our government is pushing at this point in time. They have invested 20 billion dollars in the vaccine and 7 billion on advertising promoting the vaccine. Drug companies are the largest lobbyist on Capital Hill. Follow the money you will find the truth. One death is too many no matter if it is from the flu or the vaccine. A death is a death. Especially if it is your child. Prayers are with the children that had a reaction to the vaccine.Google also Alex Jones Prison Planet. Amazing what we do not know about our government. You will be shocked but informed!
SWilliams | 11/7/2009 7:48:00 AMmark as inappropriate An allergic reaction is a dangerous scary situation. Parents should reconsider the vaccine after what happen to these students. Many people have had reactions from the seasonal flu vaccines over the years as well. The seasonal flu vaccine caused dystonia in an NFL cheerleader just a few months ago. She is disabled now and can hardly speak or walk.The CDC first stated children needed two vaccines then they decided on one. Google Dr. Mercola and view his videos about vaccine safety. A strong immune system is the best defense against the flu. Vitamin C and D is being reported to assist in flu prevention. The immune system becomes weakened with each flu vaccination. Everyone has to decide for themselves if they think the vaccine is not only safe but effective. Not many people trust what our government is pushing at this point in time. They have invested 20 billion dollars in the vaccine and 7 billion on advertising promoting the vaccine. Drug companies are the largest lobbyist on Capital Hill. Follow the money you will find the truth. One death is too many no matter if it is from the flu or the vaccine. A death is a death. Especially if it is your child. Prayers are with the children that had a reaction to the vaccine.Google also Alex Jones Prison Planet. Amazing what we do not know about our government. You will be shocked but informed!
ADC | 11/7/2009 7:48:00 AMmark as inappropriate I was one of the students that was sent to the emergency room and returned for a second time. It hurts me to see all of these comments about faking and sympathetic reactions while I am at home recovering. I know that I did not voluntarily do those things. Most of the last two days are a blur to me and I can't remember much but I do know it was terrifying to wake up on Thursday and see all the bruises and needle marks in my arms and not know how I got them, and to roll over in my bed and find medical tools that were left by the EMTs. I would understand if the company would say that it was fake in order to save face but not from parents that have children my own age. Now I've heard from several people (even adults-for you speculators) that still have headaches after receiving the shot. I had mine a total of three days ago and I still have not been able to get rid of mine. If that is a side effect when will it leave? Do I have to live with this the rest of my life? Sometimes the pain is tolerable but I never wish to live with this constant pain and fear of the next seizure for the rest of my life.
SWilliams | 11/7/2009 7:49:00 AMmark as inappropriate An allergic reaction is a dangerous scary situation. Parents should reconsider the vaccine after what happen to these students. Many people have had reactions from the seasonal flu vaccines over the years as well. The seasonal flu vaccine caused dystonia in an NFL cheerleader just a few months ago. She is disabled now and can hardly speak or walk.The CDC first stated children needed two vaccines then they decided on one. Google Dr. Mercola and view his videos about vaccine safety. A strong immune system is the best defense against the flu. Vitamin C and D is being reported to assist in flu prevention. The immune system becomes weakened with each flu vaccination. Everyone has to decide for themselves if they think the vaccine is not only safe but effective. Not many people trust what our government is pushing at this point in time. They have invested 20 billion dollars in the vaccine and 7 billion on advertising promoting the vaccine. Drug companies are the largest lobbyist on Capital Hill. Follow the money you will find the truth. One death is too many no matter if it is from the flu or the vaccine. A death is a death. Especially if it is your child. Prayers are with the children that had a reaction to the vaccine.Google also Alex Jones Prison Planet. Amazing what we do not know about our government. You will be shocked but informed!
sniswonger | 11/7/2009 9:52:00 AMmark as inappropriate i am one of the students that reciever the H1N1 vaccine at Caledonia High. I had an allergic reaction to the shot and i got sent to the hospital! i had shortness of breath seziure like symptom, as in shaking eyes rolling in the back of my head, i had fever, vomitting, and the nurses and doctors there that were on call told me and my family that i was haveing a allergic reaction to the shot! everyone i seen there inluding the other 2 girls that rode with me in the ambulance were NOT faking at all. the media is just full of bs, they just want to give out positive information of the vaccine to try to manipulate u into getting it. the shot we recieved was Novartis, my youngest brother and sister were suppose to get it also that same day, and now they won recieve it at all. they set another dte to re-give the shot Now. 12. It shoulnt be allowed! so for all of you who say it was "sympathy" or "fake" reactions dont know what you are talking about, bc u simply were not there with us while it wa happening!
You are correct about the VAERS form on the CDC web site to report adverse reactions. However, the students and parents should have been told about the VAERS report before taking the shot. As it is, the only report going up the chain will be "allergic and sympathetic reactions." Cover up complete.
If you want to see administrator's scramble, ask to buy, for testing, one of the vaccine vials given at Caledonia. No way, no how, will they let those vials be tested by a neutral source. That should tell you what is going on here.
Ask, also, why no one has admitted that seizures occured in some of the students. Why can't the parent's get an honest accounting of what transpired?
Why didn't the Commercial Dispatch reporter pin down school administrators and health officials on reported seizures instead of dutifully reporting what administrators said? Are they reporters, or mere note takers? Again, cover up complete.
As I said on another thread, there is a snake in this woodpile and we ought to find out where it is.
Parent's should be aware that autoimmune disorders (the reason Novartis vaccine's adjuvant, MF59, it unapproved) can take time to show up, long after the culprits have gotten out of town.
Make them answer now.
Mr. Big | 11/7/2009 11:02:00 AMmark as inappropriate After I got the shot I started whizzing on myself.
Mr. Big | 11/7/2009 11:03:00 AMmark as inappropriate After I got the shot I started whizzing on myself.
Matthew | 11/7/2009 11:36:00 PMmark as inappropriate Check out the Washington Post article on senior doctors that do NOT recommending the vaccines:
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"The senior doctor there doesn't believe in it and doesn't want it for her patients," Soghomonian said. "I think the feeling was it's just too new."
Soghomonian's doctor is one of a small cadre of outliers who remain skeptical about the government's unprecedented immunization campaign, citing doubts about the risks presented by the H1N1 virus or the safety of the vaccine, despite the fact that no worrisome reactions have been reported.
"My feeling is that this is all being over-hyped," said Laurence J. Murphy, a pediatrician in Burke who also will not inoculate his patients. "Most people who get this virus do beautifully. I believe the vaccine hasn't been tested enough. I just think the benefit of it at this point is not outweighed by the possible risk.
BoneheadMatt | 11/7/2009 11:49:00 PMmark as inappropriate The WP article also gives the pure facts:
"What bothers me is pretty much every doctor in the country is jumping on the bandwagon and saying, 'This vaccine is completely safe' -- even for the pregnant woman and the unborn baby," said Bob Sears, of Orange County, Calif. "But they can't give you a single study that backs up that statement."
SWilliams | 11/8/2009 8:46:00 AMmark as inappropriate The vaccine has not been tested for safety or effectiveness. The CDC is guessing. The media pushes what the CDC is encouraging. The government pushes the CDC.There were suppose to be 120 million doses available then only 10% of the 120 million were available. The government reported the shortage when people were voicing their concern over the safety of the vaccine. Amazing! This type of news creates fear and panic.People stood out in cold weather with small children for 5 hours or more to get the vaccine because of fear. I would fear the children would become ill from exposure and being around so many people. Sad to know people will create pani in people to make money. People who are now 100 years old will say common sense goes a long way.
Mr. Jordan | 11/8/2009 10:55:00 AMmark as inappropriate Three of the top four viewed articles on this web site are on the H1N1 shot in Caledonia, yet Sunday's Dispatch has not one peep about it?
This is a conduit to a national level story, but it is not being covered by this paper or WCBI. If the health and well being of their readers is not a priority, what is?
Why have they not explored just what did happen to the injured student's at Caledonia High School? What alternate agenda has taken over here?
SWilliams | 11/8/2009 2:13:00 PMmark as inappropriate The reactions experienced by these children should be on the news and in the newspaper.Why would a school or any shot giving venue deny or give a less of account of what actually transpired. MUW nursing students giving the injections would be the best on reactions that took place. Nurses are trained to observe adverse reactions to any medications not just flu vaccinations.The parents should ask the nurses what happened after these students were vaccinated. The public needs to know the severity of the allergic reactions. WCBI shame on you if this is being overlooked as a mild situation. Has the entire US covered up the reactions to the vaccine in order to sell their snake oil to people for profit. Since the administration provided the drug makers with protection from lawsuits if the vaccine injured someone they will not be found liable even if a student had died. Does not make me feel warm and fuzzy when a drug maker does not have to stand behind a medication even if it is harmful. Google NFL cheerleader with dystonia after flu vaccine. Student recently in another state was vaccinated without a parent consent. The student had a reaction. The school wanted the parents to sign a consent form after the fact knowing she had a reaction.
SWilliams | 11/8/2009 4:53:00 PMmark as inappropriate I have commented many times in reference to this article. One because I am a nurse that has had reactions to certain medications and another because I question the safety of a fast made untested vaccine. I have to comment on what Jill Lester is quoted to say in the article. Ms. Lester you are quoted to say "It was just side effects". Side effects can kill just as quickly as an illness sometimes even faster. Anaphylatic shock an allergic reaction that could stop you from breathing. If not treated asap people die. As a nurse allergic to latex I am wondering if some of the students have an unknown latex allergy that could have caused some of these reactions. The vial that the vaccine was drawn from could have a latex stopper. Worth checking into. All vials should be latex free. People do not know they have a latex allergy until a reaction happens. Side effects are never just side effects. Always consider a side effect a warning that something more severe can happen.
Mr. Jordan | 11/8/2009 8:40:00 PMmark as inappropriate The government wonders why people are wary of their vaccination program. Caledonia is a perfect example.
The Mississippi State Department of Health and the Commercial Dispatch newspaper have never used the term "seizures" in reporting what happened at Caledonia High, yet individual reports say seizures did happen.
Lowndes County School District Superintendent Mike Halford gave the only appraisal that the adverse reactions were "much more than hives," although he did not elaborate.
Students concerns were waved off by some officials as "sympathetic" reactions when those present said they were far more significant than that.
Parents and students were not advised of the VAERS system to report adverse reactions to the shot prior to taking the shot. It is still uncertain if they have been told of the system by any state or school official. This makes it appear official policy is to deny incidents and prevent reporting of any problems.
As bad as this is, it pales next to the military telling the soldiers IT INJURED with MF59 in the anthrax program that they were imagining their ailments, were faking them, or were sissies for complaining about a shot.
HK | 11/9/2009 2:38:00 PMmark as inappropriate I feel the Commercial Dispatch and WCBI owe the school an apology..
ruby | 11/9/2009 3:09:00 PMmark as inappropriate HK, I totally agree with you, an apology is needed , espicially to the students and parents of those who accused of "sympathy" symptoms.... but, i believe the school superintendant, ms dept of health should also do some apologizing.. It really is a worry to think that this issue has been so lightly brushed off by all of them, I am a parent of 2 caledonia children and really don't appreciate that it hasn't gotten the coverage and attention it should have....it is really disappointing!!
Citizen Deux | 11/9/2009 3:27:00 PMmark as inappropriate Were any of the children identified as allergic to eggs? Did parents receive full disclosure of the potential reactions and side effects? Be assured that if admitted, the hospital is ibligated to report the reactions via the VAERS system.
anon | 11/9/2009 5:37:00 PMmark as inappropriate AC, if you would read it correctly, it said that TWO of the nine had real reactions. Nobody said your child did not have a reaction. I am one of the people who administered the shot, and I myself, as well as many other nursing school students got the h1n1 vaccine at the same time as the Caledonia students. We were all well aware that none of us had any allergies to the drugs listed on the consent form, therefore none of had reactions. It's a matter of what you know. Please research sympathy reactions. It's a real thing. The mind can do many things to the body. I think that is what people are talking about when they said that the other student's "made it up." Anxiety does require medical attention, but it had nothing to do with the vaccination. Your daughter/son apparently had an unknown allergy to one of the ingredients, which caused an anaphylactic reaction. Theres a big difference.
DW | 11/9/2009 5:57:00 PMmark as inappropriate "Be assured that if admitted, the hospital is ibligated to report the reactions via the VAERS system."
How is that we should "be assured"??? What makes it so assuring?
DW | 11/9/2009 6:01:00 PMmark as inappropriate "The risks of H1N1 outweigh the risks of this vaccine."
How are you so sure of this? Where did you read it? Which media made you more afraid of a virus that kills less in a year than the regular flu kills in a week (during peak season)?
DW | 11/9/2009 6:11:00 PMmark as inappropriate "According to the fact sheet published by the CDC, these serious reactions should be reported to the Vaccine Advers Event Reporting System (VAERS). You can file this report through the VAERS website at www.vaers.hhs.gov, or by calling 1-800-822-7967."
This may help you understand VAERS, what it is, what it is not.
A gross misrepresentation of reality, that's what it is.
The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal:Volume 23(4)April 2004pp 287-294 "VAERS is a passive surveillance system that relies on physicians and others to voluntarily submit reports of illness after vaccination. Manufacturers are required to report all adverse events of which they become aware. There are a number of well-described limitations of such reporting systems. These include, for example, variability in report quality, biased reporting, underreporting and the inability to determine whether a vaccine caused the adverse event in any individual report. Strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and timely. The information in VAERS reports is not necessarily complete nor is it verified systematically."
DW | 11/9/2009 7:17:00 PMmark as inappropriate "The reactions experienced by these children should be on the news and in the newspaper.Why would a school or any shot giving venue deny or give a less of account of what actually transpired."
Adverse reactions to pharmaceuticals occur every day in this country and it never makes big news.
And if every story from every small town school hit the news all over the country - parents would be terrified. That is why the news is usually kept local, and kept quite until its *newness* wears off. Parents wouldn't send their kids to school if on a daily basis, they heard collective stories of what went down in America's schools.
"Nurses are trained to observe adverse reactions to any medications not just flu vaccinations."
But nurses don't follow the patient around for the next 6 months to see the neurological and/or auto-immune damage that shows up.
See, by that time, its clearly NOT the vaccine or drug that caused the problem .
DW | 11/9/2009 7:32:00 PMmark as inappropriate Anon - have you even ONCE read the package insert?
For everyone reading - no he/she did not read the package insert. Otherwise, they themselves as medical professionals WOULD KNOW that adverse reactions do occur. For you to say "Anxiety does require medical attention, but it had nothing to do with the vaccination." is disgraceful and PATHETIC! You make the pharma-mafia proud.
Just ask your doctor for the package inserts people. (Be patient as it takes him a long time to find one, because he's not read it either.) Read before you blindly trust your doctor, he has either read it himself, or he's spewing the group-speak one.
I can guarantee you that if you are capable of understanding those package inserts - you WON'T vaccinate after reading about the known adverse side effects.
You people are freaked out over a flu that kills less in a year than the regular flu kills in a week.
You said: "I am one of the people who administered the shot, and I myself, as well as many other nursing school students got the h1n1 vaccine at the same time as the Caledonia students. "
Were the students who had the "sympathetic" reactions present when the two students went down with seizures?
"Your daughter/son apparently had an unknown allergy to one of the ingredients, which caused an anaphylactic reaction."
I'm not a medical person, but I can't find the term "seizure" in Wikipedia's description of anaphylactic shock. It seems such a malady is more akin to sudden respirtory distress, which is what the "sympathetic" sufferes seem to have.
"We were all well aware that none of us had any allergies to the drugs listed on the consent form, therefore none of had reactions. It's a matter of what you know."
Yes, what you know. Do you know what company manufactured the vaccine you took (one report says Novartis) and can you tell us if the package insert listed MF59 adjuvant?
If you review one of the other threads on this topic, you will see what the insert said for ailments arising coincidentally with the anthrax vaccine that contained MF59, that should send a sane person running for the exit and away from that shot.
Can you tell us if parents ever had the VAERS system explained to them? Can you tell us why no official has used the term "seizure" when referring to the two "real" reactions?
ruby | 11/10/2009 7:33:00 AMmark as inappropriate Anon, you are a nursing "student" correct? So that does not make you an expert in the subject, I have friends that are physician and family that are nurses--beyond "student" they have masters , BSN's in the nursing field. When i spoke to them and told them what had happened they were shocked and disturbed, it is what is put in the vaccine, parents please please read all information pro's and cons' when making this decision.. my children were not getting the first time caledonia was giving it and they most definitely won't be getting it the second time it is offered. Not everything is safe for all children just because the state or government or schools are pushing it!!!!!
Yes I did read it correctly...and if YOU had read my commment correctly you would see that I was responding to another parent who has used the phrase "side effect". We are aware of our daughter's allergies...she has none. One thing I was not aware of..but I will check further was that the vaccine would be given by "student" nurses.
Mr. Jordan | 11/11/2009 12:40:00 PMmark as inappropriate Appatently Anon has evaporated along with Halford, James, and Imes.
Some one, or some entity, is putting the kabosh on everyone responsible for this program. I can't otherwise fathom everyone of note defaulting on their charter.
With Halford, James and Imes I am reminded of the three monkeys: "Hear no evil...:
