November 10, 2009 9:47:00 AM
With all nine Caledonia High School students affected by an injection of H1N1 flu vaccine administered Wednesday back in school Monday, the Lowndes County School District was able to return its attention to pursuing its goal of higher accreditation.
LCSD Superintendent Mike Halford reported Monday each of the students who suffered adverse reactions Wednesday after the vaccine was administered by Mississippi University for Women nursing students had returned to class this week. He was unaware of any students receiving additional medical attention over the weekend.
"I imagine we can close the book on this until we give the next vaccination," he said.
LCSD plans to continue vaccinating its schools as scheduled. Caledonia middle and elementary schools will reschedule dates for vaccinations through the Mississippi State Department of Health.
Meanwhile, a seven-member team from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools is in Lowndes County this week to determine whether the district has met the standards for SACS accreditation. The team met with district officials Monday and will visit county schools today before delivering an oral presentation on its findings at a LCSD school board meeting Wednesday at 1 p.m. at the district office.
Edna McGill, assistant superintendent of curriculum and instruction for the LCSD, describes SACS accreditation as a "set of standards above state standards" for education.
"There are no financial gains from this process," McGill explained. "The gains are in proving to our community that we go above and beyond the minimal standards and have attained national standards. If you have students transfer in from another district that''s nationally accredited, those people can feel confident this district has attained the standards they''re used to."
During its oral report, the SACS team will reveal whether it will recommend the LCSD be accredited districtwide to its state offices in Jackson and, later, to its national offices in Decatur, Ga. The district''s high schools have been SACS accredited since 1992. Columbus, West Point and Starkville school districts also are SACS accredited.
Halford and McGill both believe the district has met the seven standards SACS requires for accreditation. The standards, according to the SACS Web site deal with vision and purpose, governance and leadership, teaching and learning, documenting and using results, resources and support systems, stakeholder communications and relationships and commitment to continuous improvement.
"This is something we''ve sought for an awful long time. We''ve done a lot of work. This is not a song and pony show. We''re showing that these educational programs and improvements we''ve made and we''re benefiting from it," said Halford.
McGill says the changes the district has made are focused, first and foremost, on increasing student achievement.
"I think we''re in an advanced state of readiness. I don''t anticipate them finding any deficiencies," she said.
The SACS team''s report will point out the district''s strengths and weaknesses based on the standards of: Vision and Purpose, Governance and Leadership, Teaching and learning, documenting and using results, resource and support systems, stakeholder communications and relationships and commitment to continuous improvement.
The LCSD assigned teams of teachers and administrators to address each standard over the past year in preparation for this week. Additionally, the district revised its vision and mission statements and sought greater involvement from stakeholder groups such as parents.
"The process is very much team driven. This has taken the efforts of so many stakeholders in the district to make this visit possible. They''ve been excited and done an excellent job getting ready," said McGill.
If the SACS Quality Assurance Review team does recommend LCSD for accreditation, McGill says the district will be notified in January.
Founded in 1895, the SACS Council on Accreditation and School Improvement accredits more than 13,000 schools and school systems throughout the United States and overseas.
hk commented at 11/10/2009 1:26:00 PM:
I think the name of this article says it all.. the vaccine made the kids really sick.. not sympathy sick--really sick..
ruby commented at 11/10/2009 1:44:00 PM:
yes hk, you are right,but it is hard to "hear" it with all the "sweeping " sounds,sweep it under the rug!!! unfortunately, those who are paid to care and should care .... really dont!
JC commented at 11/10/2009 1:54:00 PM:
the vaccine made the kids really sick.. not sympathy sick--really sick..
That's why they're already back in school. Because they got sooooo sick.
ruby commented at 11/10/2009 2:32:00 PM:
what is your problem, they were sick , out of school for 3 days. Maybe you can call the hospital and explain to them that it was all "sympathy" so that way, they can bill "sympathy" for er and dr visit, and the parents won't be bill for so much!!!!!!!!!!!!! You evidently didn't know the children or families , you must not have had sick children, or perhaps you are just that cold hearted!!!!!!!!!
JC commented at 11/10/2009 5:11:00 PM:
So what was the doctor's diagnosis, Ruby?
ruby commented at 11/10/2009 5:18:00 PM:
I can guarantee you it wasn't diagnosed sympathy, don't think there is a code for that! The fact is , it was real to the children and to the families-- and it is not something that should get dismissed so easily, like everything else does that happens in caledonia...don't blame the kids for getting sick and trying to twist it as something that was made up. it happened and it was real JC!! no one can make it disappear--if they could i guarantee you the parents would love to get the bills to disappear for the hospital, er and dr and labs that they will be charged for!! i have a diagnosis, just don't think you will like it!!!!!!!!
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 6:26:00 AM:
If these students got MF59 ajuvant in their shots, they might be back in school, but it is not over, it is just beginning. It will be the same even for some of those who have not yet gotten sick.
MF59 can corrupt the immune system and lead to a myriad of other disorders, mild to severe, to include MS, lupus, and a string of autoimmune disorders that would make you cringe.
This story confirms the Dispatch has note takers, not reporters. Why not just print Mr. Halford's press release and skip the interview? Jason Browne apparently played scribe to Mr. Halford and printed what he was told without asking any questions, such as:
Did two students have seizures, as has been reported, but not clarified by you or the Health Department?
Why were the other students classified as "sympathy" reactions when they actually showed signs of the anaphylactic shock (shortness of breath) that was ascribed to the two more seriously injured students?
Was the vaccine manufactured by Novartis? Did the package insert indicate the experimental adjuvant (booster) MF59 was in the shot? What percentage of the state flu stock is made by Novartis?
Did you, Mr. Halford, speak with the families of those who had problems? Did you know one was returned to the hospital ER?
Were parents advised of the VAERS system that reports adverse reactions to the federal government? Were such reports filed?
Mr Halford and the Dispatch can soon rest easy because all the Caldonia flu shot stories will so fall off the newspaper's pages and the issue will die...until the next time.
HK commented at 11/11/2009 8:29:00 AM:
Mr. Jordan for Mayor!! You have great insight.. common sense.. we need some of that nowadays!
JC commented at 11/11/2009 8:32:00 AM:
So the students were taken to the hospital, then discharged without a diagnosis? That actually doesn't sound serious at all.
ruby commented at 11/11/2009 9:04:00 AM:
I never would have thought there was such ignorance in one person, JC grow up and look back at your comment, listen really carefully *IF THEY WERE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND TREATED , A COUPLE OF THEM WERE HOSPITALIZED, AND SOME RETURNED TO THE HOSPITAL AFTER BEING DISCHARGED!! FOR SEIZURES, SHORTNESS OF BREATH!! ** I dont know where you are from but if patients are delivered to HOSPITAL by ambulance, they normally dont go to all that trouble for nothing!!! and also you must not have a clue about HIPPA and the PRIVACY LAW, My only hope in this matter of your total disregard for all involved is that it will happen to YOU!!!! Because what comes around goes around KHARMA!!! it will visit you one day, i will not spend any more of my time on your stupid comments, I will be satisfied with the fact that it will come around and bite you in the end JC!!!!!!!!!!
SWilliams commented at 11/11/2009 9:44:00 AM:
JC yes these kids were soooo sick. Some could have died! An allergic reaction unless it kills you resolves in a few days. Do not doubt that these children were very sick....An allergic reaction especially that caused seizures should not be taken lightly. Insensitive comments by you. Read the post from the students that actually experienced one of these reactions. you may be more open minded about the side effects these vaccinations can cause.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 10:35:00 AM:
The "shortness of breath" could have been catastropic and fatal. If an allergic reaction takes place in the throat, it can swell up and choke off the airflow to the lungs. That is the dire possibility of anaphylactic shock.
I don't know if that is what happened in Caledonia, but someone should have been prepared for this with immediately available adrenaline shots.
They had better be ready next time.
I'm sure Mr. Halford has insisted upon this, yes, I'm sure he has, in that book he just closed on the issue.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 10:40:00 AM:
It is possible JC is a screen name used by Mr. Halford since they seem to have similar attitudes toward this.
Or, maybe Dr. James at MSDH?
Or Mr. Imes at the Dispatch?
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 10:53:00 AM:
For all those who will take an H1N1 flu shot.
Ask for a copy of the package insert for the vaccine you will receive.
If it identifies Novartis as the manufacturer, tell the nurse you want a shot from another source, otherwise, walk away.
Walk away, also, if the manufacturer is GlaxoSmithKline. There is a report they were approved, under the table, with their AS04 adjuvant, that I don't know well except that, like MF59, is a neurotoxin.
Warren commented at 11/11/2009 12:55:00 PM:
Really ? That the vaccine was given to kids all over Lowndes County, indeed, all over the entire State of Mississippi, at the same time, and from the same sources, and that ONLY children from Caledonia complained of any adverse reactions seems to say all there is to say about the situation. Grow up folks.
hk commented at 11/11/2009 1:06:00 PM:
Warren--there are cases where the vaccine is not kept cold.. there are such things as a bad batch..
Warren commented at 11/11/2009 1:55:00 PM:
Both ARE possible. Yet, neither has been indicated here.
at commented at 11/11/2009 2:56:00 PM:
I believe JC is the only intelligent person on here. You people are ignorant fools. Go read a text book for God's sake. Noone died, so get over it. Really.
at commented at 11/11/2009 3:03:00 PM:
And for future reference......
Don't let your child get a vaccine without doing research on the meds listed on the consent form... They may be allergic......it'll do you some good.
SWilliams commented at 11/11/2009 3:06:00 PM:
Mr. Jordan your comments are educational and informative. As a nurse I know the dangers of an allergic reaction. But some people making comments obviously do not understand the dangers of an allergic reaction. People die from something simple as a peanut or bee sting. These vaccines were rushed to market and a rush to judgement on their safety. I can not stress enough to the public how important in what happened at Caledonia is to the safety of these children and others that may receive the H1N1 vaccine. Hopefully other schools will not COVER UP allergic reactions that may happen at their schools. Shame on the media TV/Newspaper if they report anything less than the complete truth of what happen to these children. Warren you stated that Caledonia children were the only ones that complained of adverse reactions. Difficulty to complain when you are having a visible seizure or difficulty breathing. Let me make it clear Warren there is a difference when a child complains of a sore injection site and one developing anaphylatic shock. You grow up Warren! Until you experience a SEVERE allergic reation you do not know how it feels. But I am sure these children.
ruby commented at 11/11/2009 3:09:00 PM:
AT & JC all i can say is if "ignorance is bliss, then you two must be very happy" you pick up book yourself and do a little research,talk to a professional, and get a clue!
hk commented at 11/11/2009 3:16:00 PM:
Telling your peers to grow up or get over it--just means--agree with me or I do not want to discuss it any longer.. others on the site are open to discussion.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 3:21:00 PM:
There are four manufacturers of H1N1 vaccine, Novartis is only one of them. We have no idea what percentage of the available vaccine is from Novartis or where it is being given.
As in the military anthrax shot program, only a small percentage of the shots may contain MF59 adjuvant. In the military it was apparently only 10%, according to the FDA. That allowed the problems to be submerged as a percentage of the overall shot taking population.
The crucial aspect is that the vaccine is not the problem, the adjuvant is. This allows the government to claim all these people took the shot with few problems. However, if you compare the problems to the small group of people who got adjuvant vaccine, the numbers become much more significant. Further, most of the problems from the adjuvant turn up days, weeks, months or years after the adjuvant is injected since it corrupts the immune system and it is the immune system that does the damage through autoimmunity.
Mind you, I am an Obama supporter. I think Birthers, Deathers, and Glen Beck supporters are whack jobs who are way off base, but I am adamant against this type of program because the similar anthrax shot program directly injured me and my compatriots in the military. More than half my reserve military unit left the unit rather than take the anthrax shot almost a decade ago due to injuries suffered by the first round of shot takers. I can't let that happen again, especially to schoolchildren, without speaking against it.
If this program is clean, all the principle agents should be out defending it from my charges, but none are. Does that tell you anything?
HK commented at 11/11/2009 3:45:00 PM:
I take back my vote for Mr. Jordan for mayor or my doc.. the Obama support--just spoiled it for me.. :( I will pray for you.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 3:56:00 PM:
Sorry to disappoint!
JC commented at 11/11/2009 3:59:00 PM:
If the vaccine is so deadly, then why did only a handful of students get "sick"?
HK commented at 11/11/2009 4:00:00 PM:
That is ok.. people are starting to wise up.. I pray that you will in time.. I am not one to force my opinions on others.. I just thought anyone that thought the govt would make a shot that would hurt us and not research it--then I thought they would be afraid of our current govt.. time will tell on all of this.. :)
TJ commented at 11/11/2009 4:38:00 PM:
Did anyone really do research on this shot, it has cillian in it and for those that are allergic to cillian, it may or it may not effect them, but still its in there and not a lot of people can take anything with cillian.
SWilliams commented at 11/11/2009 5:52:00 PM:
at. For you to say people get over it no one died. Seriously I do not believe the insensitivity to what is being said about a serious allergic reaction. The point is people can have an allergic reaction to almost anything even with if research is performed. Some of these children may not have any allergies. People find out they are allergic to a potential substance after it is given to them. You may not know your allergic to shrimp until your throat closes up. You may have eaten shrimp all your life then develop an allergy to it. Just disturbing how harsh some of these comments are. I would advise you (at & JC) to google NFL Cheerleader develops dystonia after flu vaccine. Remind you her reaction was to the regular flu vaccine. If it had been your child that was on the floor having a seizure with her eyes rolled back in her head you may have a different comment.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 6:16:00 PM:
Try reading my previous post, JC. It is the adjuvant in a small percentage of the shots, not the vaccine itself, that is the problem.
I only said that so you would know I'm not an anti-government fanatic. This has gone on since the Clinton administration, so there is blame on both parties.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 7:23:00 PM:
The Lowndes County School District Board of Education meeting Friday, at noon, at the LCSD Central Office, 1055 Highway 45 South.
Warren commented at 11/11/2009 7:48:00 PM:
Thanks for the education folks.
Still some things I don't understand ...... Am I wrong, or were there about 10,000 children across the State taking this vaccine at the same time? And we have not heard of any others with such "reactions"? Both true?
If so, are we to believe that everywhere except in Caledonia, kids just "sucked it up" and withstood "visible seizures", "a SEVERE allergic reaction", "anaphylactic shock", and/or actually found themselves "on the floor having a seizure with her eyes rolled back in her head" without complaint?
And are we also to believe that Caledonia was the only community in the State to be sent a vaccine manufactured by Novartis or that may have contained the MF59 adjuvant.
It seems to me that any of the above are well beyond the realm of even the remotest of possibility. Of course, I could be wrong, but, lacking some sort of documentation ..... well.
Warren commented at 11/11/2009 7:54:00 PM:
Enough, I desist.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/11/2009 8:44:00 PM:
Your skepticism is understandable, and you might be right.
The problem is we don't know how much Novartis vaccine is on the loose, or who has it, or where it is being given.
And none of the responsible officials seems interested in finding out, or telling us what really happened at Caledonia.
If MSDH provides the information that Novartis does not match known ailments, and they admit to those ailments instead of dismissing them as some form of hysteria, then I will desist.
SWilliams commented at 11/11/2009 9:19:00 PM:
Warren with the push by the CDC and the government for all to receive the H1N1 vaccine it is understandable that allergic reactions are not being reported. There was a girl also in New York that had an allergic reaction to the vaccine. The reactions are not being reported by the media as much as the deaths caused by H1N1 and how safe the vaccine is. The government has spent 20 billion on the vaccine plus 7 billion on advertising encouraging people to receive the vaccine. The government can not afford negative publicity. The drug makers are the largest lobbyist on Capital Hill. Follow the money Warren will lead you to the truth.
Caledonia School Parent commented at 11/12/2009 8:02:00 AM:
You people make me ill. Did your child witness their friends fine one minute then see them being taken away in an ambulance? This was a very traumatizing scene for our young people. People making light of allergic reactions have no idea what it is like. These are just as deadly as the cold and flu.
Caledonia students were not the only students that had some sort of reaction to this Novartis 2009 H1N1 Inactive Vaccine (shot form). New Hope schools had kids that had reactions as well that the news did not cover. Do your homework media report the whole story not bits and pieces.
As a parent of students at Caledonia schools, there was not enough information sent home with this shot's permission slips. There is a warning in small print that if you are allergic neomycin or polymoxcin (gentamicin) or eggs or to any ingredients in this shot. They fail to list all the ingredients in this shot.
Upon hearing of the reactions I called the MS State Health Department and they confirmed who the maker of the shot was and the names of the antibiotic solutions in this shot. I advised them that this information should NOT be in small print and that the maker of the shot should be listed. Also that this information should be on the pamphlet we were to keep at home just in case of a delayed reaction. This could have been a bad batch of the vaccine which had not been confirmed at the time I called.
People need to educate themselves about this shot and others. As will all medicines they can & do have life long lasting effects. Some may not be evident right now but months & years down the road. As with any medical procedure you are darned if you and darned if you don't. This shot is NOT going to prevent you from getting H1N1 as with any other shot that you get. It is suppose to provide you with immunity to help you fight it if you do get the flu. One of the possible "side" effects listed is a mild case of the flu that it to prevent. The other advice given by doctors that have worked for the CDC is if you get either FLU Shot is for you to GO HOME as to NOT spread or expose your side effects to your co-workers. That statement right there is what should be reported on.
I am not saying don't get the shot but parents you need to do your homework before signing permission slips get the facts. Be an advocate for your child as not all shots are provided by the same manufacturer. Each one as a different set of possible sided effect.
ANOTHER CONCERNED PARENT commented at 11/12/2009 8:59:00 AM:
My son was one who witnessed friends getting ill in caledonia, thank you so much for your above comment.. It just outrages me that this issue has been twisted and turned on the children, as to make it look like nobody got "ill" and it was all a figment of imagination of all those involved. "KUDOS" to those standing up for the kids and parents!!!! AND THORNS to those who are so insensitive and so coldhearted .. I was raised to believe "all life is precious" no matter if it is 1 ,2 "handfull" or 300 ! Any life that could be lost, is a tragedy, no matter how you look at it. It terrifies me that it could have been much worse, prayers to the families ,hope quick recovery! I am with you for everyone to do their homework and be informed !
JC commented at 11/12/2009 10:04:00 AM:
Deaths in the U.S. from H1N1 to date: 4,000
Deaths in the U.S. from H1N1 vaccine to date: 0
ANOTHER CONCERNED CALEDONIA PARENT commented at 11/12/2009 10:33:00 AM:
Where are you getting you totals from, actually the H1N1 virus was secondary infections in those deaths, it actually wasn't the main cause,so read on JC and do a little more research, and i think you are really being a little naive, to think that no one has been injured or hurt by the vaccine, not all news is reported espicially when "big" money is behind it I will pray for you, that one day you will find compassion for others even when you don't agree, because honestly it isn't about the vaccine to me at this point it is the disregard for childrens and adults "human life" that really is diappointing, whether you agree or disagree with the vaccine, grow some compassion and love for your fellow man, and look to Jesus for help with that please!
JC commented at 11/12/2009 11:13:00 AM:
I am concerned with human life, Concerned Parent. That's why I'm trying to convince people they need to get vaccinated despite all the howling from conspiracy theorists such as yourself.
jphillips commented at 11/12/2009 11:36:00 AM:
i am not a conspiracy theorists ,jc, so dont go down that road, I have spoke with our physicians and have made a informed decision, you see we have had the swine flu at our house, yes it was positive for the H1N1 virus, all we took was Tamiful , so you see I have been down this road so i know i can speak from experience, not all things that are Free, or given by the local schools, county or state or federal governments are always the best for everyone, get it or don't get it, its up to the individual person my problem is that people such as yourself have dismissed these kids as faking and being not real, when it was real , just accept that, are you a parent of a child at caledonia,?? see i am and i may not know all the children at the school, but i still care and hope and pray that all gets well, they don't deserve to be labeled and disregarded as if, "no one" even cared that they became ill ..that is where my problem lies, if you have a child /teenager that read these comments from those of you who say "no one died" "handful" i believe or i would hope that you would be offended at the comments that you and the "very" few others like you had commented about it, it would be like saying "who cares if your child died or not" or if they became ill it doesn't matter --see that is whats sad all life is "PRECIOUS" !!!!
Matt commented at 11/12/2009 11:40:00 AM:
Over a thousand children given the h1n1 vaccine in columbus and have no problems. Caledonia 9 kids go to the hospital. Lets get real people.
Matt commented at 11/12/2009 11:43:00 AM:
Life is precious thats why parents that are informed and not being conspiracy theorist give their children vaccines because they do save lives. All this BS about vaccines is not new by any means. Why not skip all the vaccines for your children and see what happens. All this drama you would think that Obama came up with the H1N1 formula. lol
jphillips commented at 11/12/2009 12:04:00 PM:
ok, this is the last comment I will even waste on people like you, I do not believe all vaccines are bad, see where your ignorance lies is that you can not see beyond your half witted ill informed comments, this particular vaccine is the only one were are talking about, if you have so much faith in it, stop bringing the other vaccines in the conversation and trying to make it a conspiracy theory, it is not, that is why it is a "CHOICE" if you choose to do so, do it, JUST BE INFORMED AND DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO KEEP YOURSELF AND LOVED ONES SAFE, why bring obama into it, this has nothing to do with him, so don't get defensive and label everyone who disagrees with you with conspiracy. WOOOhhhhhhoooo ,this is a "free country" , its a not disagree with Matt& Jc cause i am right all the time calling people whom i have never met conspiracy theorist. look beyond your shortminded comments and try seeing something from the other side for a change, or dont i really don't care. Yes it is fairly new, and i have family who work for a physician ,whom is frequented by a drug rep who is employed by the company, who is distributing it and made it. So see there are people who , how shall i say it"may know more than you" oooops sorry i know that was hard to hear. good luck to you on journey down the path to nowhere!!!
JC commented at 11/12/2009 12:07:00 PM:
I have spoke with our physicians...
Did you ask them about vaccine safety? If so, what did they tell you?
Did you ask them whether you and/or your children should be vaccinated? What did they tell you?
Matt commented at 11/12/2009 12:41:00 PM:
The obama reference was a joke. People seem just as mad about a vaccine that is saving lives as they are about Obama. There is nothing different about the H1N1 vaccine. It is just a different strand of the same old flu shot. You make it seem likes its some new and scarey vaccine when it is more of the same. 9 out of a thousand people have a reaction to a vaccine and they all are at the same school getting the shot at the same time. From what you read on here they were all having seizures and they couldn't breathe at all.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/12/2009 3:10:00 PM:
The Lowndes County school board meeting is at 11 AM Friday, not 12 noon as listed in the Dispatch. I suppose that is one way to have no one show up. 1055 Hwy 45, S. Go South off 82 toward Macon. It is in the old elementary school.
Pitchforks and torches anyone?
I've explained this three times to you and you come back as illiterate on the topic as always. The problem is some of the shots may have an experiemental adjuvant in them, the ones made by Novartis. The vaccine itself is irrelevant to the problems.
Have you got it yet?
JC commented at 11/12/2009 4:49:00 PM:
The problem is some of the shots may have an experiemental adjuvant in them, the ones made by Novartis.
And you know this... how? I read your posts and all I see are naked claims - no citations to news articles, no evidence, nothing.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/12/2009 10:47:00 PM:
One of the Caledonia students posted they got a card saying their vaccine was made by Novartis.
MSDH should have told the public who made the shot and what was in it. The Dispatch should have asked them, and the school superintendent should have demanded to know.
I know this because the Novartis web site says HHS awarded them almost $1 billion for their vaccine that contains the adjuvant MF59. The Washington Post story said adjuvants were being tested. A Caledonia student posted they got a card identifying their vaccine as coming from Novartis.
I have posted the Novartis web site, the WaPo article and Caledonia student's Novartis certification.
Do you read things first, or just start talking?
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 9:08:00 AM:
You are saying nothing! Are you going to apologize when you call the CDC or the Mississippi state dpt of health and find out the truth? You talk about all these facts and it would be as easy as you picking up a phone to find out the truth.
jphillips commented at 11/13/2009 9:10:00 AM:
Mr Jordan, thank you, i wish i was off today because i would love to make it to that meeting.
Thank you , for all you helpful info and insight!
To: half witted and illeterate(you 2 know who you are)
There wasn't a 1000 children at caledonia vaccinated.., when the ones that had been vaccinated started to have reactions, all" All" of vaccinations "STOPPED" at caledonia soo , no one will know how many more of the kids could have gotten ill from that batch !! so it really could have gotten worse way worse..And those who have the authority have swept it under the rug till next time, and unfortunately more than likely there will be.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 9:32:00 AM:
"You talk about all these facts and it would be as easy as you picking up a phone to find out the truth."
They will be asked very shortly.
If they had good answers we should have heard them already.
Again, they work for us, we don't work for them.
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 9:40:00 AM:
What kind of answer is that? Have fun at your meeting with your other crazy folks idolizing you. How pathetic! Please find out your facts and complain about the past how the gvt mistreated you. Poor thing! If a child dies in columbus though from the H1N1 and was not vaccinated I would say you would be part of the problem.
JC commented at 11/13/2009 10:46:00 AM:
"I have posted the Novartis web site, the WaPo article and Caledonia student's Novartis certification." - Mr. Jordan
No, you haven't. So I'll do your work FOR you:
The WaPo article (by Rob Stein, 11/2/09 - you have to Google it because the Dispatch doesn't allow links anymore) states that the government is tracking administration of the H1N1 vaccine to monitor its safety. It also states that the results so far are in line with other vaccines. It in no way indicates the adjuvant is dangerous.
The closest thing I could find to your "$1 billion for MF59-containing H1N1 vaccine" on the Novartis website was a story about HHS awarding the company a $486 million contract to build a vaccine manufacturing facility in North Carolina.
Finally, MF59 is not an "experimental" adjuvant. It has been in use, safely, since 1997.
HH commented at 11/13/2009 12:04:00 PM:
JC, MF59 has never been approved by the FDA and has never been used in vaccines for the general public in the United States. Mr. Jordan is correct with his infomation.
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 12:07:00 PM:
Show me where that is said and where it is said that it is included in the H1N1 vaccine
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 1:29:00 PM:
What did you learn at the meeting we are all waiting in supsense.
JC commented at 11/13/2009 1:59:00 PM:
JC, MF59 has never been approved by the FDA and has never been used in vaccines for the general public in the United States.
Indeed. Please inform Mr. Jordan, who seems to believe otherwise.
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 2:41:00 PM:
Where is Mr. Jordan? I thought he would have so much info to throw in our face by now.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 4:04:00 PM:
The meeting did not go as expected. They took some sort of procedural vote, and then it was over, so I had to speak to Mr. Halford and others after the meeting.
Mr. Halford says they in no way endorsed the shot, they merely provided an area for MSDH to administer the shot. One of his associates says they doubt they will do that again, given the heat they have taken.
Mr. Halford is asking Dr. "Tree" James at MSDH the questions I gave him to ask, so maybe we will hear something.
Mr. Halford says he has never released any statements attributed to him on this issue. That is interesting.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 4:09:00 PM:
"Independent experts to study safety data on H1N1 vaccine
By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 2, 2009
An independent panel of experts will meet Monday to review the safety of the swine flu vaccine as part of the government's efforts to monitor the unprecedented immunization campaign.
The National Vaccine Advisory Committee's H1N1 Vaccine Safety Working Group will review the results of data being collected by the government to detect any problems with the vaccine as soon as possible.
According to a summary of data the panel will review, about 10,352 people have received the injected vaccine and 501 have gotten the FluMist nasal spray in 13 studies funded by the Health and Human Services Department's Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.
Of those who received the injections, 6,098 got standard vaccine while 4,254 received shots containing a substance known as an "adjuvant," which is designed to boost the effectiveness but is not being used widely. That included 5,776 adults and 4,576 children. "
And, from the NOvartis web site:
Novartis Influenza A(H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine was approved by the FDA on September 15, 2009. The A(H1N1) vaccine is an inactivated subunit vaccine approved for active immunization of persons 4 years of age and older, including patients with underlying chronic medical conditions. The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded Novartis two contracts totaling USD 979 million for purchase of H1N1 bulk vaccine and the Novartis proprietary MF59 adjuvant."
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 4:23:00 PM:
So nothing new in other words. LMAO Mr. Jordan end all this and call the state or CDC please. Maybe nuts like you can keep large numbers of at risk children or pregnant women from receiving the vaccine and by doing so risk the lives of thousands of kids. I hope you will be proud of your fear mongering when it costs someone their life.
Matt commented at 11/13/2009 4:26:00 PM:
About 540 children are among the 3,900 H1N1 flu deaths, the CDC said
Since mid-October, an estimated 22 million people have contracted the virus
Prevalence of flu is higher than anytime since 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, director says
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Contagious and Infectious Diseases
Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- Nearly 3,900 people, including about 540 children, are believed to have died from the H1N1 flu in the first six months of the epidemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday.
The figure is a sharp increase from previous counts of laboratory-confirmed cases. But Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said the estimate gives a "more accurate picture" of the scale of the pandemic.
The figure was based on a detailed analysis of data from several dozen districts around the country, she said. The method used to calculate the mortality figures is similar to that used to produce estimates of ordinary seasonal flu deaths, which are believed to number about 36,000 a year.
An estimated 22 million people in the United States have contracted the virus, commonly known as swine flu, resulting in about 98,000 hospitalizations through October 17, Schuchat said.
Among children under 18, about 8 million are believed to have been sickened, 36,000 have been hospitalized and 540 have died, a much higher number than the 129 laboratory-confirmed child deaths the CDC reported November 6.
JC commented at 11/13/2009 4:45:00 PM:
Thanks for reprinting the Novartis link, Mr. Jordan. I was unable to find that because it didn't have the word "billion" in it.
So Novartis' H1N1 vaccine has been approved by the FDA. You have still provided no evidence that it is dangerous, other than your conjecture. And you still haven't acknowledged that MF59, far from being "experimental," has been used safely in tens of millions of vaccine doses worldwide since 1997.
I simply don't understand why you think it is better for people to risk catching a potentially fatal disease than it is to run a tiny risk of a mild allergic reaction. The fact that you're browbeating public officials to make sure that children go unprotected is seriously disturbing. Do you not care if children die of influenza?
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 4:45:00 PM:
You say MF59 is not FDA approved (true).
So this is what authorizes its use after President Obama declared a national health emergency on Oct 23.
"The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-276; "the Act"), among other provisions, established the comprehensive Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) program. EUA permits the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to approve the emergency use of drugs, devices, and medical products (including diagnostics) that were not previously approved, cleared, or licensed by FDA (hereafter, "unapproved") or the off-label use of approved products in certain well-defined emergency situations. EUA provides physicians and public health officials with an important new tool with wide-reaching implications for medical care under emergency conditions. More detailed information on FDA's policies for authorizing the use of an unapproved medical product or an unapproved use of an approved medical product during a declared emergency can be found in the draft FDA guidance document made available on July 5, 2005 (1).
Couple this with a Caledonia student posting they got a card with their shot identifying the manufacturer as Novartis, and you see several dots to connect.
I haven't told anyone not to get a flu shot if they want one. I warned them to stay away from the Novartis flu shot.
Have you ever seen full blown cases of lupus or Multiple Sclerosis, Matt?
How about a basal stem stroke? One of the guys in my unit had such a stroke a few hours after his second anthrax shot. He got the second shot after going to the military hospital to find out why he couldn't pick up his cereal spoon that morning and to find out what could be wrong with him? They didn't know, but he was due for his second anthrax shot, so he got it. When he got home he dropped like a rock.
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 4:51:00 PM:
"So Novartis' H1N1 vaccine has been approved by the FDA. You have still provided no evidence that it is dangerous, other than your conjecture. And you still haven't acknowledged that MF59, far from being "experimental," has been used safely in tens of millions of vaccine doses worldwide since 1997. "
The FDA has NOT approved MF59 despite decades of testing. They apparently let HHS spend a billion on Novartis vaccine with MF59 because they knew a health emergency would be declared to allow its use, and on Oct 23, they got such a declaration.
That is how a student at Caledonia apparently got certification of receiving a Novartis vaccine shot.
JC commented at 11/13/2009 5:19:00 PM:
Mr. Jordan, are you now trying to claim that MF59 was in the anthrax shots from the Gulf War?
Mr. Jordan commented at 11/13/2009 10:38:00 PM:
"Mr. Jordan, are you now trying to claim that MF59 was in the anthrax shots from the Gulf War?"
That is beyond the scope of the current issue, but, yes.
I remember in 1990 I was pulled aside during a mission, taken to a side room and given what was termed a "gammagobblin" shot to "pump up my immunity." However, they didn't want to put it in my shot record for some reason. For two or three years I periodically had a rapid heartbeat.
Many soldiers got Gulf War Syndrome and the only thing they had in common was the anthrax shot. Even some who never deployed, but got the shot, got GWS. That eliminates all the folderol about chemical weapons, oil fires, and Sarin gas since none of those could have given GWS to people who never left the States.
The military got away with this twice, and now they are trying to get away with it with the public.
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