Lowndes County Coroner Greg Merchant, left, and Columbus police take a body from the Everyday Club and Lounge hours after a shooting inside the club Tuesday night. One person was killed and three others were injured in the shooting. A suspect remained at large this morning. Photo by: Kelly Tippett Buy this photo.
April 21, 2010 10:48:00 AM
The contents of this article have been modified since its original posting.
Columbus police said they had no leads this morning on the whereabouts of a man who opened fire inside a nightclub Tuesday night, killing one person and injuring three others.
"Our officers worked into the night on this, but have not found a suspect," Columbus Police Department Cpl. Donnie Elkin said. "We have made no arrests at this time. We are still looking into the matter and are going to continue looking into it."
According to Elkin, officers responded to a call at 10:49 p.m. Tuesday at the Everyday Club and Lounge, at 1603 Seventh Ave. N. in reference to a disturbance with a gun. The club is in a small building that at one time was a residence, surrounded by other houses, a few businesses and apartments.
"Officers arrived and located a black male exiting the club with a gunshot wound," Elkin said.
Officers went inside and found a second victim with a gunshot wound, who appeared to be dead. Officers were then dispatched to the 700 block of 16th Street North for a third victim with a gunshot wound, and to Baptist Memorial Hospital-Golden Triangle, where they located a fourth victim with a gunshot wound.
"One of the victims was deceased, another was admitted to the hospital, and the other two were treated and released from BMH-GT," Elkin said,
Lowndes County Coroner Greg Merchant identified the victim as Quentin Spencer, 20, of 455 Merry Valley Drive in Columbus.
"I declared him dead on the scene Tuesday at 11:17 p.m. An autopsy is scheduled to be performed Thursday at the Mississippi Crime Lab in Jackson to determine the cause of death," Merchant said.
The Criminal Investigation Division responded and has taken over the investigation.
According to scanner traffic heard during the incident, the other victims included a woman who was shot in the leg, who was able to take herself to the hospital; a 41-year-old man who was shot in the shoulder, who left the club and sought help at a nearby house; and a man shot in the lower abdomen, who was leaving the club when officers arrived. The victim who died was shot above the left nipple.
Investigators on the scene Tuesday night said the victim may have been a bystander. Officers also appeared to know the identity of the suspect, but no information on him was released.
Lowndes County sheriff''s deputies came into the city to aid with patrols Tuesday night as Columbus officers worked the investigation. In addition to canvassing the scene and interviewing witnesses, officers were stationed at the hospital in case more victims came in.
Elkin said anyone with information concerning the shooting should call the CPD at 662-244-3552.
Confused commented at 4/21/2010 11:14:00 AM:
Is an autopsy really necessary to determine cause of death? I'm assuming it's the law to do an autopsy, but ... I mean, gunshot wound above left nipple. What other possibilities exist for cause of death?
My thoughts go out to the family.
Disappointed commented at 4/21/2010 11:17:00 AM:
I don't think it's necessary to have a photo of the body, even covered, on the front page. The victim is someone's family member and friend - respect should be given.
7th Avenue commented at 4/21/2010 11:31:00 AM:
Isn't this on the historical 7th Avenue North? Kabir, what are your thoughts on this?
Thom Geiger commented at 4/21/2010 11:44:00 AM:
According to the Lowndes country Tax Assessor's website, the property is listed as being owned by SMITH ROBERT, PARCEL INFORMATION;
I believe this is the same property where Mr. Irby was given a tongue lashing by the mayor when he refused to approve construction of the metal awning seen in the photo overhanging the sidewalk. The location is the same business a property owner (of a brick apartment building one block south) complained to the city council about.
I commented at 4/21/2010 12:50:00 PM:
Autopsy is required and I do agree with you but, corruption would take place if it was not done.
Though it might be somewhat tasteless to have the photo, death is usually part of life and is necessary.
My prayers go out to the familes.
Michael commented at 4/21/2010 1:18:00 PM:
If the Robert Smith that owns this property is the same Robert Smith who is Mayor of Columbus..... Why even bother.....There is such a DOUBLE Standard of Right and Wrong in this town I know nothing will be said so Why bother.....
Michelle commented at 4/21/2010 1:24:00 PM:
I'm just curious but why would it matter who owns the property? I'm sure the mayor didn't shot these people. If something was going on at that club I would think it would be up to the business owner not the property owner to get these fools out of the club. On the other hand if the mayor owns/operates this business then I could see someone saying something about this.
nomocolumbus commented at 4/21/2010 1:27:00 PM:
The mayor owns so much property around here -might as well change the name to Smithville. He'll probably die in office of old age so why not. After he kicked K's butt you better not vote for anyone else or you might get a whooping too. K was the only black who would dare run against him and now he's not going to even try after the whooping he got.
I think all these "night spots" should be shut down or at least made to check id's and not allow folks under 21 near them. Closing time should be 9 pm through the week. What do you think?
Justin Smith commented at 4/21/2010 2:13:00 PM:
More gun violence with the Mayor's taint all over it. Directly or indirectly this is getting more and more common.
commonsense commented at 4/21/2010 2:20:00 PM:
I think we are losing site of the problem. The problem is not who owns the club. The problem is not if an autopsy should or should not be done. The problem at hand is someone life was taken. Someone lost a child. I think if we put as much time into leading and guideing the youth maybe this would not happen. When I was that victims age I wouldnt be caught at a place like that. It was because my parents raised me not to. I am not saying this kid didnt have good parents,but I am saying the teens need guidance. I am in my 20's so I am in the same generation as that victim,and it could have been me but because I was lead in the right path it was not. I really feel sorry for the kid.
Curious commented at 4/21/2010 3:13:00 PM:
Wouldn't releasing the name of the suspect help the police find him/her more quickly?
Dumb Thom commented at 4/21/2010 3:13:00 PM:
Thom Geiger, it's evidence you have too much time on your hand. Maybe you should have been elected Mayor. It seems that's the only reason you had to bring up who the property owner was. This article is about a person losing their life, others been injured, and a supect still on the loose. Comment on curfews, gun control, ways to decrease crime and new city ordinances not the Mayor. Grow up and get a real life because it's evidence that you are jealous of someone else life. If you are that concern about the Honorable Mayor Robert Smith, why don't you go and ask him to give you a job to help fix some of the things that you feel are so wrong.
Sick Of Thom Geiger commented at 4/21/2010 3:21:00 PM:
Thom Geiger you are really a sick individual. Why don't you pack up and leave Columbus, it would be much better off without you. You are such a sore loser. You do not care about Columbus in the least bit, all you do and have none since you ran and LOST, the first of your 35 losses for office, is complain about those that are in charge a trying to make a difference. What have you done to make Columbus a better place, or than waste our time by putting you name on our ballots? You take pictures of the school parking lot, and post it on your site, of what, kids doing what they have done since the beginning of time, You bash EVERYONE that has been elected! You are mad, that the people of Columbus have told you NO (35 times)!!!! You now blame the Mayor for being a tax paying citizens, someone who is actually vested in the well being of Columbus, and some unlike you that constantly tears it down. Robert Smith is not perfect, but he has worked his butt off to be a great hard working Mayor that Columbus needs. He did not run on perfection, merely hard work and unity, and that is what he has strived to do! Thom how can he be responsible for a random act of violence? Are you responsible for all of the racist comments that have been posted on your site for the last few years? Do you take ownership over all that has been said about blacks and their children? How would the stockholders at Dyncorp International, or the Chairman of the board, Robert B. McKeon, feel to know that one of their employees is the host of such a site? Enough is Enough, if you care about Columbus, get in the trenches like many others and trying to help improve our community, if not please do us all a favor and MOVE away, and take your classless site with you!!!!!
Dina Smith commented at 4/21/2010 3:52:00 PM:
MAN ALL OF THIS IS CRAZY YALL JUST WANT SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT ROBERT SMITH WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH HIM THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO KILLED THIS INNOCENT BOY AND THEY DO KNOW WHO DID THIS CRIME THE BOY WHO EXITED THE CLUB WITH THE SHOT TO THE ABODOMEN DID IT SOMEONE I KNOW TOLD ME;
7th avenue 2 commented at 4/21/2010 4:26:00 PM:
I agree with sick of Thom Geiger very strongly. I was just waiting today just to see what he had to say. Our Mayor doesnt have anything to do with it. He can own it but he dont have to run it. The person that run's the club was shot also. Now, I do agree with most comments. The laws need to change it should be 21 and up. Make people show ID'S because what cpd fail to realize, majority of the people names they list in the paper for fines, be in the clubs. The runner of the club was a little careless. I'm sure he only could do as much possible as he can. Still this guy is dead, they have a suspect, im sure that the police was told who did it, because i was at the scene but didnt attend the club, when one of the detective's said that they had a name. So i hope this would be a lesson to the youth in columbus life too short for something stupid, it's not just old people you see in the paper. Its 2 mths, 18 mths 16 yr old, 21 yr olds, and so on. I just hope the laws will really tighten up around here.
magic commented at 4/21/2010 4:54:00 PM:
To the family who lost their love one my prayers. There is no reason anyone should be shooting inside a club.
We can raise our children the "right" but we cant control the "way" THEY choose 2 go. So there is some misguided person out there who has killed a man & causee injury 2 several others over some bulls**t but we cnt blame his parents
It takes a village 2 raise a child. Men need 2 step in and be a father figure in ur community. Be the man that a. young man can 2 & talk 2 & not be ur son. Stand strong me.
Ladies we are mothers from the womb start showing love.give some hugs & kisses 2 ur children. I know our work is never done but it only takes about 10 min 2 find out how our childs day went. It does make a different
Even if u dnt go 2 church send ur child. So they can get 2 knw god & lean on him not his peers. Once ur child learn that the GOD IN ME wont fail me he will knw gods unchanging hand will never fail.
Remy commented at 4/21/2010 6:26:00 PM:
To magic and you other Thom haters, you railed Thom Geiger for commenting on who owns the property and making the article about the mayor while you've done the same thing by directing all your attention on Thom and not the victim. Can you say Hypocrite? And yes, the property ownner CAN be held liable for damamges or injuries on his property especially if it's found to be that the property owner knew there were problems but did not act to fix them. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be liable if he didn't know as a judge could just tell him that he should have been aware of what was happening on his property. I don't think the mayor is as honorable as some people think he is.
Upset commented at 4/21/2010 7:01:00 PM:
I happen to be a close friend of this childs mother and he was a sweet, respectable, and mannerable young man. Only the ppl inside the club will be able to tell what happened. It doesn't matter who the building belonged to, it does matter that someone thought it was okay to take the life away from this young man and leave a family without the son, brother, nephew, and cousin. That's what matters!
Big Ed commented at 4/21/2010 7:55:00 PM:
Thom is right about this.
1. If the Mayor owns the building then why is he renting it to be a club?
2. Why does the city council and building department LOOK THE OTHER WAY AT A CLUB in a residential area?
3. Why is no one from the building department enforcing the building codes?
HERE IS THE DEAL: No club in this "house" would = no dead boy.
classmate commented at 4/21/2010 9:49:00 PM:
R.IP. Q!!!! you will be missed fella
Curious commented at 4/22/2010 7:23:00 AM:
Why was a 20 year old doing in a club in the first place? I still thought the legal age was 21.
Leeroy commented at 4/22/2010 8:31:00 AM:
That portion of columbus has always been a cesspool. Just demolish northside. That may take care of all of the street walkers and crackheads.
Leeroy commented at 4/22/2010 8:32:00 AM:
You only have to be 18 to get in clubs. Where have you been?
Northside is nothing but street walkers and crackheads.
bb commented at 4/22/2010 9:39:00 AM:
Hell northside southside eastside are all covered with the waste of drugs alcohol and laziness. Columbus needs to take a more aggressive approach to cleaning up this cityby throwing this filth out of Columbus. There should not be this much government housing allowed in the city bars and other adult themes clubs should be regulated more. Untill we stricken the rules of property ownership Columbus will stay stagnant and continue to degrade.
my hood commented at 4/22/2010 12:23:00 PM:
I mean to me its just stupid and ignorant of people to try and degrade a neighborhood because of how it looks and what they see. Negative comments and thoughts don't help the situation and problems that goes own in my hood. Everybody from that area is not crack heads and street walkers. To be exact its numerous of people that come through that area everyday that are from the other side of town where the big houses on the hills are and they aint just passing through they smoking crack and coke and all the above. I said that to say this where you live dont make you better than people from my neighborhood its been a lot of successful people come out the hood and its a lot of people still trying and have big goals and plans. So before u speak on anything quit sitting out looking in and actually do some.
lets be honest commented at 4/22/2010 12:29:00 PM:
all these people talking bout the mayor. mayor this mayor that whats one half of the people in columbus doing nothing the ones with all the money aint doing nothing but complaining being greedy want all the money to themselves. That the main reason columbus cant grow in prosper half of these old rich folks local owners dont want nobody else here cause they want all the money. Reality check lets be real anytime a black man gets a position they want him out before he gets in.
MANDY commented at 4/22/2010 12:29:00 PM:
I have shedded tears for this young man and his mother. I can only imagine what it would feel like to lose a child. If you have children imagine that he was yours and someone calls you with the news. A child can die from anything illness, car wreak, murder,suicide etc... The thing is s/he is gone forever. We need to be sensitive to this mother. One day it might be our day to experience this. I pray not. Children are suppose to bury their parents, not the opposite. As for the person who said that parents are not raising their children right. He was 20. No policeman is going to make him stay home. He is old enough to make his own decision- right or wrong. He had a right to go out and mingle with people if he wanted to. The KILLER did wrong, not Quienton. The city should outlaw cheap bars. If they cannot afford metal detectives and security, they should not be allowed to operate. Also, they should allow more than 2/3 in our city. They should only open on weeksends and have police patrol the area for the 5/6 hours that they are opened. I will bet that this will help tremendously. God please help and protect our children. Please keep them safe from Satan and all of his workers of iniquity. Amen
Thom Geiger commented at 4/22/2010 12:42:00 PM:
It just goes to show what happens if someone questions anything associated with certain people in Columbus.
Let's see why I might mention who owns the property, but first, what else did I say? My critics play brain-dead when it comes to the two issues I brought up about that specific business and that specific piece of property;
When the Columbus building & inspection department wasn't going to approve an addiction to the building, did the business owner complain? Who was it that cursed the department head in public over the decision to not approve the construction? ROBERT SMITH.
Don't pretend it didn't happen.
I sat in the city council meeting when property owners in that four block area complained to the mayor and council about the business, about the environment it brought to the neighborhood, with one even mentioning the addition of an overhang that would enable people to loiter outside the business. The business is not liked by the majority of residents I spoke to about it. Don't pretend those residents and property owners weren't there and didn't say what they said.
Don't pretend it didn't happen.
What I did was relay what is on a public document/record and stated what I has seen and heard about the verbal exchange between Robert Smith and George Irby and what residents said in a public meeting about that business. I didn't say anything about my own personal opinion about anything.
Now, being that the mayor owns the property and, in my opinion, reaps a financial reward from the business being there, how much does that influence the actions and decisions of police officials about what happens at the location? And you say that's not a legitimate question?
You can attack the messenger and I expected it when I mentioned the mayor's name, but I intentionally waited until the drive-by shooters came out of the woodwork before I said anything specific about my personal opinion on the issue.
Shoot me all you want, but you can't change the facts. All you MIGHT be able to do is intimidate other people, to scare other people into not commenting on the story or telling what they know and how they feel.
Is Robert really that weak?
Is Robert really that desperate?
Is Robert really that vulnerable?
Is that what it takes to keep his name out of the news and keep people from asking legitimate and logical questions about his actions and the decisions he makes while he is mayor of their city? Is he that afraid to answer the questions people ask? You make it seem like he is.
bettye commented at 4/22/2010 2:25:00 PM:
As far as George and permit department,things in Columbus go by who has most money. I have a certain junk yard in mind it is operated by someone whosfamily has money. the business should be handled behind fence. i know the permit department(ken)has been notified and have seenpermit truck go by. Why not make the operators get junk behind fence-homeowners do not want to see junk out of every window. 7th st. and railroad st. has always been trouble but until we get rid of good ole boys who don't want citizens to know what both hands are doing this town will never change. let our young people go somewhere where there are jobs etc.
why commented at 4/22/2010 3:31:00 PM:
Has anyone figured out what the motive was in this shooting? What about the other people who were injured? They should know what really happened. And what's with all the comments about with Mr. Gieger ? He surely doesn't own the building. If the mayor owns the build let him fess up or deny it. Should have a bouncer in a place like that, in my opinion. Maybe the mayor has too many irons in the fire to be the leader we need in Columbus. Looks like he'd just resign after all this bad press he's making. Let's have another election and fast so we can get rid of these thugs.
Thom Thom commented at 4/22/2010 3:33:00 PM:
This is not a building department issue. Murders happen in all neighbors hoods and places. People have been shot in school, malls hospitals, post offices, churches, etc... Are the owners of these places responsible, the answer is no. The problem is not the Mayor, it is the the presence of God in ours lives. This, is why we can kill each other, whether it be with weapons or with words. This is why we tear our fellow man down when they fall rather than pick them up. Being elected does not make us perfect, it merely makes them servant. Working to help your city is not always pointing out the flaws of leaders, why not go to them like a man and ask them what can you do to help. Thom you are better than this.
lets be honest commented at 4/22/2010 3:38:00 PM:
I mean the fact of the matter is the mayor has money and everyone knows it but what mayor or city official dont. I mean every time something happens people look at the mayor ok thats understandable bc he suppose to do whats best for the city, but to criticize the man bc he owns that property and someone happen to get shot and killed its his fault? Thats bs to me. People die everyday so who's to blame? Like I say at the end of the day i don't see anyone trying to rebuild or help that neighborhood all they do is talk and act like it don't exist until something like this happens then everyone wants to put there 2 cents in.
LOVE 7TH AVE.N commented at 4/22/2010 3:40:00 PM:
HOW CAN YOU STUPID PEOPLE COME ON HERE AND POST STUPID COMMENTS. THOM GEIGER SEEMS LIKE YOU THE LOVELY MAYOR NUMBER ONE FAN. STOP COMING ON HERE POSTING YOUR COMMENTS. ARE YOU WILL BE THE NEXT ONE THE MAYOR GETS. IF YOU PEOPLE DONT HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING. STOP MAKING YOUR COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER. WHO CARES WHAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT 7TH AVE. N PEOPLE STILL GOTS TO LIVE THERE. IF THEY NOT COMPLAINING WHY IN THE HELL ARE YOU. YOU DONT LIVE ON 7TH AVE.N, YOU CANT BLAME THE DAMN STREET FOR SOMEONE ELSE ACTIONS. YOU MIGHT SEE CRACKHEADS AND STREET WALKERS BUT THE FUNNY THING ABOUT IT(NOTHING BUT WHITES PICKING THEM UP). BLAME THE DAMN MAYOR FOR WHAT, THATS JUST LIKE IF YOU OWN A HOUSE AND RENT IT OUT, IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHATS GOING ON THERE OR WHAT THE TENANTS ARE DOING. AS LONG AS YOU GET YOUR RENT MONEY, YOU CHOOSE THE WRONG THING TO TALK ABOUT ON HERE. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT NEED TO BE DID! THIS CHILD IS DEAD AND SO IS HIS PARENTS. THE ONES THAT GOTS TO BURY HIM NEEDS THE DAMN HELP. APPRENTLY, YOU DONT GIVE A DAMN THIS CHILD IS DEAD. YOU JUST COULDNT WAIT TO POST YOUR COMMENT ON HERE. THE DAMN MAYOR AINT READING THIS. SO IF YOU GOTS SOMETHING TO SAY GO ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETING THEY HAVE EVERY TUESDAY. YOUR COMMENTS DONT MEAN ANYTHING ON HERE. THIS TOWN IS SO COMPLETELY STUPID. YOU FIND ANYTHING TO BRING EACH OTHER DOWN, INSTEAD OF HELP ONE ANOTHER. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE DAMN MAYOR IS WHITE OR BLACK. THEY WAS CHOSEN TO DO A JOB. ROBERT SMITH DO A DAMN GOOD JOB. THE WHITES JUST MAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU NO MORE. THAT'S WHY I LOVE BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
Irvingtonguy commented at 4/22/2010 3:44:00 PM:
You tell 'em Thom. All he did was publish something that anyone could look up on the internet.
walter commented at 4/22/2010 4:18:00 PM:
My sincere condolences to the family of the deceased and the families of all of the victims, as well as the perpetrator(s) of the incident. Sooner or later, the perpetrator(s) will be caught and members of his/their family(ies) will grieve, too, over losing him/them to prison, or execution, depending upon whether the killing was done while in the commission of, or in furtherance of a felony. In addition to the pain and suffering this recent act has caused the immediate families, Columbus, the larger community suffers, too.
Unfortunate as the incident reported here is, some simply could not put aside personal jealousy or political agendas. Instead, in an attempt to spread farther discord, within the county and city, they went off on another tangent and tried to place blame on an elected-officials, where there has not been shown there is any.
I seek to deal fairly with all, whether in person or in the print. Information shared here has convinced me that my initial reading of an individual who post here frequently was pretty much on the mark. I understand much better now, as well, the unrelentless attack he and his minions have waged against the mayor and council. I see clearly now that his tactic really is about demonizing duly-elected officials and dividing the city. It would be a shame if the citizens were to allow themselves to fall prey to such a very elementary strategy from an obviously bitter and behind-the-time mind.
We, progressive whites and forward-looking blacks of Columbus and Mississippi, will not allow racists, bigots, reactionary and depraved person from either race to continue to hold us back. We are much too talented and decent a people to allow them to do so. Those in Columbus and those in Jackson or D.C. whose lack of vision and poor ideals have held us back must be pushed out of the way and finally relegated to the pages of history, where, today, they rightfully belongs.
Thom Thom commented at 4/22/2010 7:30:00 PM:
This is not a building department issue. Murders happen in all neighbors hoods and places. People have been shot in school, malls hospitals, post offices, churches, etc... Are the owners of these places responsible, the answer is no. The problem is not the Mayor, it is the the presence of God in ours lives. This, is why we can kill each other, whether it be with weapons or with words. This is why we tear our fellow man down when they fall rather than pick them up. Being elected does not make us perfect, it merely makes them servant. Working to help your city is not pointing out the flaws of leaders, why not go to them like a man and ask them what can you do to help. Thom you are better than this, some of your ideas are valid, but at what point to you prove that your truly care about the community, and not just saying "Hey Yall, Look at me!!!"
onlyhuman commented at 4/22/2010 7:30:00 PM:
In a time like this politics and what the mayor owns should not be brought up. This young man has been murdered and why he got murdered and where he was is besides the point because people are so cold hearted these days they will murder you inside of a church. We focus on everything else besides the fact that this was a senseless act of violence and we don't set good examples for young people when we degrade and insult each other. Let's pray for this young man's family and the family of the one who committed the crime. Why pray for the murderer you say? He is going to need prayer too because he is going to have to pay the price for the senseless decision that he made. I could not imagine losing my son or seeing him on a stretcher pronounced dead. Even though my child is not old enough to go to a club who's to say an act of violence won't happen to him. Let's remember that crime and violence does not decriminate and you don't have to be in a club or doing anything wrong for it to happen. Let's take the focus off politics and the mayor and help youth and young adults be responsible and make better choices rather than senseless crimes.
disgusa commented at 4/23/2010 8:07:00 AM:
Let's face it. There are probably at least 10 folks who were at the sleaze club that know who did it, but they are going to protect "their" people from the bad guys: the law. That is what is pathetic.
melody commented at 4/23/2010 8:19:00 AM:
Hey onlyhuman---if the juke joint wasn't there, the young man would still be alive, right? And we wouldn't have a killer running loose in our city. So, don't you think the owner should do the right thing and close it down? Maybe he could reopen the club in his neighborhood , what do you think about that? I bet he wouldn't dare live next door to a place like that, want to take me up on the bet?
Thom Geiger commented at 4/23/2010 11:48:00 AM:
How does the police department handle complaints to a location, to a business where the whole neighborhood knows the mayor has stepped in more than once to intervene for the business owner who is paying him money? If the mayor goes off the hook because of a building/inspection issue on that piece of property, what are the chances he'd interfere with the police department at the same location? Has anyone forgotten what happened when the mayor got involved in a bail bond problem with his "former" company? What happened when he interfered in that situation?
There was no excuse for not giving the citizens in that area some respect and doing something about the problem with the club. What else is it going to take before Robert starts getting his act together and stays out of situations where he has a clear cut conflict of interest?
That's two unnecessary deaths where the mayor has made very bad decisions. One where he got involved when he SHOULDN'T have and one where he SHOULD HAVE gotten involved and taken action as both the mayor of the city and as the property owner. Personally, I think this is a heavy price for people and their families to make because of bad decision making.
None of the drive-by shooters have addressed the facts;
the business and the problem with that location were brought to the mayor, city council and the police chief at a public meeting. Joe Johnson was at that meeting. Kabir was there too.
If the problem had been dealt with the day or even the week of that meeting, I'll bet my money that the young man would still be alive. Do you want to argue that one? Go ahead.
walter commented at 4/23/2010 2:14:00 PM:
When, where or how one meets his or her death is not something that interests me, as far as placing money on it. Businesses, including nite-clubs, have certain constitutional protections that require that a private citizen or the government meet specific grounds before they can be shutdown and the owner deprived of his or her right to liberty, life and pursuit of happiness.
Despite there being a public meeting attended by elected-officials, what eveidence was presented and what defenses were offered during and after the meeting? Crimes such as the instant one on 7th Avenue are not limited to just that location or just our city. Other streets, neighborhoods and cities are experiencing the same tragic phenomenon. To address the situation, some cities have tried community policing with varing degrees of success. Others have tried curfews, with limited success. Still, others have moved in with gestapo-type tactics and et, the violence continues.
To blame the mayor or the council for the specific criminal act on 7th Avenue is ludicrus and anyone bent on doing so is unrealistic, in the extreme. Instead of taking potshots at the mayor and council, who, I honestly believe, are as committed to ending the violence within our city as anyone, perhaps, a broad based coalition of concerned citizens, to include laypersons as well as experts, can be convened to advise the person who, in actuality, is the one who is most directly responsible for crime in the city, The Chief of Police and his counterpart the Sheriff. Hopefully, those who are so opinionated as to point-fingers and post here, will see fit to initiate or join such a coalition, as simply another equal member, and not a chair or boss, overseer, manager, or slave-owner.
There is a systemmic problem, for sure. However, despite the dismal picture painted in reality and in the media, the situation is not hopeless. The violent crimes can be curtailed by refocusing resources (law enforcement, judicial, correctional, educational and social services) to ending it. As much of a nuisance as drugs are, they, in and of themselves, should not have a greater priority, in terms of ending it, as does ending the violence. Drug-offenses attract a lot of attention and money, money that can and often does corrupt people at all level of the system. Conviction quotas fill the prisons and jails and stockholders and vendors reap tax-payers' money for warehousing humanbeings. Is it legal? Yes. The legislators, after dancing and sipping mint-julip with lobbyists have decreed the system. Those same law-makers and decision-makers will make decisions and enact laws that truly address societal-problems only when the electorate becoming informed enough to demand that they do so. Until then, business as usual is what we can all expect. When we demand a more creative and just approach to violation of laws, law-makers will then consider what is best, as far as laws, for society, in general, instead of what is best for a particular industry or segment of society.
If the death and injury of the people on 7th Avenue encourage people to actively challenge local, as well as, state leaders to deal with real issues impacting the city and state, then, maybe, just maybe, the death and injuries would not have been in vain. It not simply an issue for the mayor, it is an issue for us all.
STOP THE KILLING, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, WITHOUT INFRINGING UPON THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF THE TRULY INNOCENT.
Thom Geiger commented at 4/23/2010 3:21:00 PM:
Walter, here we are again with the mind reading and psychic fortune telling. Are you still trying to channel Kreskin? Instead of being concerned about what you think mine or anyone else's evil thoughts and intentions on trying to take down the mayor and divide the black community, why don't you say something, write something directly to those people who live in that area? Post something to those residents who went to the mayor and city council about the problem BEFORE there was a shooting there? Talk to them, why don't you? Give them something real in 1,000 words or less about what they can do and expect to see happen to make their lives in that area safer? So far, what I've read is;
"There is a systemmic problem, for sure. However, despite the dismal picture painted in reality and in the media, the situation is not hopeless. The violent crimes can be curtailed by refocusing resources (law enforcement, judicial, correctional, educational and social services) to ending it."
I don't know about others, but frankly, it gets old and stale to see the talk about resources, but when those resources are used, the police are accused of profiling, the judges are accused of being too harsh, MDOC is accused of being a system that continues and perpetuates slavery, the public education system is accused of intentionally miseducating (not my word) certain minority groups and social services is accused of being a trap to enslave people who come to depend on it.
I was around when the first serious infestations of crack cocaine dealers hit minority neighborhoods in large US cities. The outcry from black leaders was loud and very angry. Those leaders, including clergy and black politicians, accused the government and law enforcement of not taking the problem seriously, accusing judges of not handing out serious sentences to people who were, as the saying went back then, "dealing poison to the kids in these neighborhoods". Those leaders wanted the harshest sentences possible, and now those same people are accusing law enforcement of racial profiling and singling out black drug dealers, judges of handing out too harsh sentences for drug dealers and so on and so on. It never ends, or does it?
I've pointed out many contradictions in your messages and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. You still say you want one thing but then you want another. Make up your mind.
onlyhuman commented at 4/23/2010 4:01:00 PM:
In response Melody: first of all had you read what had been printed in the paper it stated that this situation had been going on for about a month. It seems that the shooter was determined to harm the victim no matter where he was.Murders don't give a damn where they kill and he could have shot him in Walmart for all he cared just as long as he accomplished what he set out to do. I never said to keep any club open nor was I defending anyone. I was just saying at a time like this we need to look at the bigger picture and that is why did the situation have to be resolved by someone getting murdered. I hope you never have to find out what is like to have someone you love murdered
melody commented at 4/23/2010 6:57:00 PM:
I know you are onlyhuman but don't get so defensive. What about the questions? Any constructive thoughts? I read somewhere about a resident close to the joint who had to put up a very high fence to shield his property from the club rift raft because the city would not regulate it.
Justin Smith commented at 4/24/2010 5:04:00 AM:
Think the Mayor oughta' buy Walter's neighbors' houses and put some juke joints on his block. He apparently doesn't have a problem with the mayor's lackeys doing anything and everything with a house...
thoughtfortheday commented at 4/24/2010 9:32:00 AM:
Proverbs 10:24 (NIV). What the wicked dreads will overtake him; what the righteous desire will be granted....... Thoughts on This Verse... The wicked fear the triumph of goodness, holiness, and righteousness. They fear not being in control. They fear death...'s overtaking them. The righteous desire the triumph of goodness, holiness, and righteousness. They offer their lives to be controlled by the Holy Spirit of God. They recognize death is an enemy, but one that has been conquered by their Savior. In times like these, isn't it comforting to know that the things that the wicked fear are really things that they can be sure of receiving!
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