December 16, 2010 9:42:00 AM
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - People who wear sagging pants in Selma could end up paying a fine and doing community service work.
The Selma City Council voted 5-2 to ban sagging pants that fall more than three inches below the hips. District Attorney Michael Jackson urged the council to approve the pants ordinance. He said it will make people feel freer to tell young people to pull up their pants.
Councilman Samuel Randolph said the new ordinance is close to racial profiling because it is geared toward minority teenagers.
The district attorney told the Selma Times-Journal that enforcement will require common sense, but someone showing underwear and skin is wearing their pants too low.
The ordinance provides fines of up to $100 for a juvenile and $200 for an adult.
dn112097 commented at 12/16/2010 10:22:00 AM:
this is fine and a good start but why is it that the more serious issues have such a hard time even being acknowledged roads need paved race tensions school funding neighborhood clean up why attack the product while leaving the cause intact ..... i do not agree with sagging pants in public just as i dont agree with running shorts in the mall or stores or the strategically ripped pants fine all people who expose themselves not just the ones that are a bandwagon haven
kj commented at 12/16/2010 12:21:00 PM:
So now the freedom to dress is a zero sum game: in order to have the freedom to criticize, we have to criminalize the criticized behavior? This is absurd. Good luck in court.
walter commented at 12/16/2010 4:10:00 PM:
Bravo! Bravo!!! That is exactly what intelligent, strong community and city leaders should do! Young, highly impressionable boys and old-assfools, plus a growing number of young ladies who unabashedly lower their pants too far, too, need to be shown that their conduct is distasteful, shameful, disrespectful and ignorant and that the leaders have the courage, concern and conscience to take action to nip the insane practice in the ass.
For those who refuse to comply, a hefty fine would very much be in order. I believe firmly in the rights guarnateed Americans under the Constitution and believe it apply to young, old and the mentally-challenged, but freedom of speech and freedom of expression has a limit. The fad of dropping one's pants low enough to expose one's under-wear or one's bare ass, if underwears are filthy and holely, as many of them often are, exceeds the protection of the Constitution, if, as the misguided offenders do so beyond the confines of their own bedroom or home.
Bravo! Bravo, Councilmen! I'll represent you for free, if their is anyone so disconnected they feel compelled to challenge you!
walter commented at 12/16/2010 4:30:00 PM:
Columbus community and elected leaders, can you take a hint?
zenreaper commented at 12/16/2010 5:40:00 PM:
So, will the council be banning skimpy bathing suits? How about low cut shirts and short skirts?
See, the sagging pants, as distasteful as they are, are this generations "nehru jackets" or "skinny ties". And the more we fight against it, the more attractive it will become to rebellious teens. Take our parents advice, ignore it and it will go away.
truegrit commented at 12/17/2010 8:32:00 AM:
Thank you Alabama!!!!!!! this is true its plain out disrespectful. my grandmother came to visit me here in columbus and we went out to lunch she stated she was sickened by seeing young boys underwear and butt cracks showing and would never come back to columbus. i wonder why we have not passed it yet but i really know. who wants to see thier butt cracks anyway. NOT ME!!! I say crack down on butt cracks it will give the police a legal reason to be out with the subjects and who knows they could have warrants, drugs etc...
ryannelson commented at 12/17/2010 10:26:00 AM:
This is, without a doubt, one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Personally, I think saggy pants look bad. But making it a criminal offense? That's outrageous. If you're offended by seeing someone's boxer shorts, you need to consider therapy as you're clearly dangerously uptight. Walter and truegrit, I hope the two of you are joking. Seriously.
q106.9 commented at 12/17/2010 12:44:00 PM:
Another great effort at getting all the "Crack" off the streets..
walter commented at 12/17/2010 3:21:00 PM:
There is something loosely-defined as the community of man(women, humanbeing). In order for us all to co-exist within our community, there are standards to which we all must adhere. For reasons of health (spiritual, physical and mental), if a common-sense boundary is breached, the community must delineate and enforce whatever rules, oridnances, guidelines deemed approriate to reel-in those who are without the necessary decency, consideration, understanding or respect to police themselves, for the common good.
Bikinis at a formal ball would be, to most people within our common community, unacceptable, despite the thrill that most of us derive from seeing a beautiful, well-sculptured body. Low skirts on long-legged and very shapely young bodies of women, are acceptable, in many settings. However, most would find it offensive at a funeral, unless, of course, it was the funeral of a well-known and popular hooker.
As a community, we must have standards, Zenreaper, I'm sure you would agree. After taking an unofficial poll of sensible, mature, decent everyday folks, particularly African Americans who are of age to be the parents and grandparents of the ones wearing their pants below their knees and showing filty underwears and bare-asses, the general concensus is that enough is enough. The moral-fabric of our nation is being torn apart, bit by bit. If they disrespect our position about how they dress, they're also more likely to disrespect what we counsel them in terms of how to avoid breaking laws that, disproportionately send them to prison, compared to others, their ages. Statistical data clearly reflects that our young are being born into a world with just one parent directly involved in their lives. Thus, where some are getting positive directions fro two sources, many of them are getting from only one. More often than not, that one is very much still a child, herself.
Do and say whatsoever you will. The practice of the young saaging their pants has been determined by those closest to them to be very destructive of our community. The law, in Alabama, many of us feel, is a good one and platitudes about "this generations' Nehru jackets and skinny ties" is not convincing enough to make, at least this writer, change his position on it. No one was as much a rebel, as yours truly, as both a young person and even as a mature adult. But, I respected others, then and now. Young people and old-ass fools who insist upon wearing their pants low must be made to realize that they live as members of a society. The society in which they live is comprised of both old and young, males and females. To realize the maximum peace of mind for the maximum members, their is a standard to which they must adhere. The standard is, if you wish to expose your bare-asses, fine. Just make damn sure you do so within the confines of your own bedrooms or homes. Don't do it in front of my teenage daughter or my sweetheart's mother.
On advice of a battery of attorneys, agents and accountants, this will be my last post. Thank you Birney and The Dispatch for allowing me to practice my writing and to workout some issues impacting my mind and spirit. Thanks all who submit criticism, both constructive and otherwise. Forgive me for any word or comment written with malice or disrespect.
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frank commented at 12/17/2010 6:16:00 PM:
leyden commented at 12/17/2010 6:38:00 PM:
Yay!!! I hope Columbus will follow suit! I'm sick of seeing stained underwear Gross! Always in Columbus Wal-mart. Why do people think that's cool? I'm sure the cops like chasing people when their pants are dragging. Haha It just looks trashy. I love the law then people like wal-mart can tell them to pull them up or get out!
whoot6500 commented at 12/17/2010 10:14:00 PM:
I think the law and whoever needs to concentrate on the bigger problems in columbus. Wearing your pants down doesn't make you a criminal or a bad human being, it just takes your intelligence away. Look at some of these girls and grown women with their shorts and dresses so short that you can see what they have underneath without bending over. You can't have a discriminating law on males and not females. I've seen females that dress so inappropriate that it makes me wonder sometimes what is this world coming too, if the guys get stereotyped, then so should the gals. that law is ridiculous, if the guys want to look ignorant, let them be, cause they have to live with that. Too much shooting, robbing and killing out there then to be worrying about somebody pants down, I don't like to see it myself but I have my own problems, The councilmen or whoever needs to stick with the basic laws and not try to make one up, That's too much in the folks business.
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