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Benjamin Franklin Ross: Crying all the time

 

 

The Saturday before the Bush tax breaks were extended, we offered a million dollar net taxable income threshold, and they were willing to shut down the government before comprising. Only 99.77 percent of the citizens would be affected by this. So we are being ruled by billionaire tyrants who sent our jobs to China. I love local Republicans, but we are in blissful deception. This is the reason Rep. Boehner cries all of the time, because 99.77 percent of us hate what he is doing-- taking from the poor and giving to the rich. 

 

Benjamin Franklin Ross 

 

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Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 4/28/2011 5:17:00 PM:

Ben,

The really bizarre feature of this Republican scam is that so many people seem to buy it. Did someone hypotize them?

 

Article Comment frank commented at 4/28/2011 6:34:00 PM:

"hypotize"?

 

Article Comment hope commented at 4/28/2011 8:00:00 PM:

Greed and power is their goal, even if they have to destroy America to achieve it.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 4/29/2011 10:05:00 AM:

During the past election, it was the birther issue, creating jobs and securing our borders coming out of the side of the Republican politicians mouths. Since the election, those aren't the issues anymore. The governor of Arizona was going "APE" over the birther and securing our border issue. And then, just last week, she vetoes the bill that requires a Presidential candidate to show a birth certificate before they can be put on the ballot and a bill to make it tougher for illegal immigrants to cross the border.
The Republican politicians are deceivers and liars, as in FAUX.
@mr. jordan:If you "holler" long enough and loud enough, someone will hear you. In this case, as the Republicans have shown, people will believe their lies.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 4/29/2011 9:58:00 PM:

You folks are KIDDING, right? SO lets see if I understand this correctly. In October of 2010, when the budget was SUPPOSED to be passed, and the Democrats held both the House and a super majority in the Senate, they FAILED to pass a budget. THEY extended the "Bush" tax cuts, which now makes them the OBAMA tax cuts.

We are BROKE. That means NO money. So when the Democrats control EVERYTHING and fail to pass a budget, and the Republicans demand SO concessions to pass a budget, The REPUBLICANS are the bad guys?

You people DO know that the wealthy who control the means of production DO NOT PAY TAXES, right? Lemme simplify it for you. If I am rich and own a factory that makes a product, lets call it "widgets". If you raise my taxes 10%, that $10 widget now costs YOU $11. I control prices, I will charge ANY extra "costs" to me to my consumers.

But keep thinking that taxing the wealthy will make it better for you, its what they Democrats DEPAND on to keep getting elected.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 4/29/2011 10:48:00 PM:

You are wasting your time Zen. I have tried before to explain to Hopeless and Wali that businesses don't pay taxes, people do. I have even used a very similar example as yours. They don't grasp it.

You keep trying and they will "hypotize" you. I think that involves a hypodermic needle but I'm not sure...

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 4/30/2011 12:51:00 AM:

Frank, I will be honest, I am a libertarian, and at this point in our government and national history, I am convinced we spent the last 235 years after declaring independence from a monarchy, only to create ANOTHER monarchy. We have created, in our politicians, a "ruling class", who is ABOVE the laws. We (the corporate "we") allow the very people who govern us to get away with things we wouldn't allow in our own HOMES. Instead of holding public servants to a higher standard, we have adopted a, "Oh well, you KNOW how politicians are..." attitude.

Personally, I am beginning to think this country is simply too large to continue to be governed by the system we currently have. Think about it, when we were 13 colonies/states, it was not that difficult to get 26-30 people to agree on something. We are now trying to get 535 people to agree on something, and act surprised when nothing gets done.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 4/30/2011 8:17:00 AM:

@zenreaper & frank:Bush and his cronies inherited a surplus and when they left, we were in a depression. You two go on talk radio and explain why to the people. Bush's approval rating was 24% when he left office, which proves that the Republicans are the bad guys. We are paying for that approval rating today and will be for years to come. The GOP destroyed our economy.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 4/30/2011 12:07:00 PM:

Hopeless, Bush took office right after the Clinton bubble burst. Let's not forget the market crash of 2001 or the terrorist attack on 9/11/01. He did a fair job during his first term which got him reelected but the problems really started when he was weak to resist the demands of the Democrat controlled Congress of the last two years. Now I agree that Bush had many faults and I never agreed with his foreign policy but ... don't completely rewrite history and put it all on him. Congress sets the budget and the Democrats have controlled it since 2006.

Now Obummer has been in office since 01/09 with a Congress of his own party in majority and with my apologies to drunken sailors everywhere, we are spending public money like DRUNKEN SAILORS! We have racked up more debt since Obummer took office than we have in the last 100 years. At the same time the value of the US Dollar has fallen 27%. THIS IS A DISASTER! The American people are being raped as the buying power of their savings is stolen and their great grandchildren are being laced with debt.

Four more years for big O? I pray NOT.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/1/2011 7:41:00 AM:

Hope, there was NO SURPLUS. Get that? The LOWEST the deficit ever was was in 2000, when it was 17 billion. Low, yes, surplus, NO. Got that? When all the REVENUE was taken in, and the SPENDING accounted for, they were 17 billion short (the deficit). So no, there was NO SURPLUS. The only debt Clinton reduced was the PRIVATE debt, and he did so by transferring it to PUBLIC debt.

As for the success of the Clinton years, much of it was attributed to the .com businesses, which crashed, and the housing market, which was artificially inflated due to BAD MORTGAGES (How did that work out for us? Oh yeah, now I remember...).

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/1/2011 1:32:00 PM:

@zenreaper & common sense american conservatism.
No, I don't get it!
Hopefully, by the time the election gets here, most people will have distinguish between propaganda and facts. This country won't survive on propaganda.
Today, October 1999,the Office of Management and Budget and the Department of the Treasury have released figures showing the largest budget surplus and the largest paydown of debt in history
President Clinton warned that proposals by Congressional Republicans for irresponsible taxcuts, spending the Social Security surplus, and across the board spending cuts would threaten our continued prosperity.
Our deficits today are because of the two wars, the Bush taxcuts, the wallstreet bailout, the depression, and the stimulus, trying to ease the effects of the depression.
Bush did not include the cost of the two wars in the budget, because he said there's no way to tell how much they would cost. President Obama added them to the budget.
Please stop misleading the people as Bush did.

 

Article Comment raider commented at 5/1/2011 2:41:00 PM:

There you go again Hope...trying to use facts to prove your argument...LOL

Here's a link to a story from 2000. People can read it and draw thier own comclusion about what happened since then.

http://articles.cnn.com/2000-09-27/politics/clinton.surplus_1_budget-surplus-national-debt-fiscal-discipline?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

 

Article Comment observer2 commented at 5/1/2011 2:52:00 PM:

This hope charactor has finally admitted what every one has been telling her, she don't get it. Mainly because she is tuned in to the liberal news 24/7. That's why she or he, what ever, doesn't know the difference between facts and fiction. She doesn't even know the dems and Barry didn't have a budget!!! They were too busy spending since 06 to worry about one and now they don't want the Republicans to do a budget either . So get out of here hope with the budget talk---shows your depth of ignorance.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/1/2011 4:32:00 PM:

@observer2 & raider:Which budget would had been more manageable for our country;the one left by Clinton or the one left by Bush. Which one, if you two had been elected President, had you rather inherit, Clinton's budget or Bush's budget?
Some people can't handle facts because it kills propaganda.

 

Article Comment raider commented at 5/1/2011 6:28:00 PM:

@hope: I agree with you. The link is about the surplus that Clinton left.

"There you go again Hope...trying to use facts to prove your argument...LOL" That was meant sarcastically to imply that you are wasting your time with right-wingers if you are using facts to prove your point. To them, facts mean nothing. The right wing talking points is the only thing that matters.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/1/2011 7:52:00 PM:

@raider;sorry about the misunderstanding! I have never seen observer2 make any comment that made any sense. This person would be capable of replacing Beck on Faux.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/2/2011 7:44:00 AM:

@zenreaper:This country has gotten too big to be ruled by the system that we have.
If we could figure out someway to get all Republican politicians to leave our country, maybe by President Obama suggesting that if they leave, he won't raise taxes on the rich, and then secure our borders so they can't get back in, this country will be just great.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/2/2011 9:03:00 AM:

raider:

Read this, it explains the FALLACY of the Clinto "Surplus"

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Hey, Hope, if all the RICH people left the country, who would PAY for everything (since the "rich" pay 90% of all of the taxes).

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/2/2011 1:08:00 PM:

Frank,

The Democrats have not controlled the Congress since 2006, as you said. They won the 2006 ELECTION but did not take their seats until Jan 20, 2007, the eve of the Republican financial meltdown.

Republicans have the gall to critique "credit card spending" by the Democrats after the GOP put two wars off-budget and "on a credit card" as well as the prescription drug giveaway to seniors in 2003 that helped to buy the 2004 election (see Florida).

According to the GOP, it seems the world was created on Jan 20, 2007, when the Dems took over Congress. We were already sliding down the economic skids by that point. The American real estate market peaked in December 2006, the month before the Dems took over.

The Republicans wrecked the car and are now squawking about the Dems paying to repair it.

We had a Republican Congress from 1994 to 2007 that was coupled with a Republican president from 2000 to 2008. We did it your way and it wrecked us. How bold of you to suggest we return to your cherished policies that have been disproved in the marketplace.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/2/2011 6:02:00 PM:

The economy crashed in March of 2009 according to the history which hasn't been rewritten yet Jordi. That would be two budgets into the Democratic control would it not?

Anyway, they are all doing a great job. I like this $4.00/gallon gasoline and watching my savings evaporate 12% a year. I am certain all will be reelected with ease.

 

Article Comment raider commented at 5/2/2011 6:32:00 PM:

@zen: whether it's fallacy or fact...the method of counting that was used during the Clinton administrations is the same method of counting that was used for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Using the same method of counting as everyone else resulted in a surplus for Clinton and deficits for the three republicans. At the time of the Clintons surpkuses, republicans were in control of the congress and they did not deny the surpluses at that time. So now, we are supposed to believe a guy with a political agenda and a predetermined goal that the surplus did not happen. I don't think so. This guy loses all credibility when he tries to blame the 2001 budget deficit on Clinton. He just overlooks the tax cut that Bush and the republicans pushed through in May of 2001 using reconciliation. That tax cut is what blew up the Clinton goal to pay off the national debt within thirteen years and put us on the path of financial disaster.

You gotta quit drinking the kool-aid zen and check out the facts. The right wing republicans may villify the main stream media but the MSM generally is usually a lot closer to the truth than the right wing media, FAUX news, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of them that spew out the right wing talking points on a daily basis.

Links covering bush tax cuts:

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-05-26/politics/tax.cuts.04_1_major-tax-tax-bill-cuts-income-taxes?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/2/2011 6:45:00 PM:

@frank;the economy bottomed in March 2009!

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/2/2011 6:55:00 PM:


Frank,

Here are numbers from a WaPo article. If you have other numbers, trot them out for us.

"The biggest culprit, by far, has been an erosion of tax revenue triggered largely by two recessions and multiple rounds of tax cuts. Together, the economy and the tax bills enacted under former president George W. Bush, and to a lesser extent by President Obama, wiped out $6.3 trillion in anticipated revenue. Thats nearly half of the $12.7 trillion swing from projected surpluses to real debt. Federal tax collections now stand at their lowest level as a percentage of the economy in 60 years.

Big-ticket spending initiated by the Bush administration accounts for 12 percent of the shift. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have added $1.3 trillion in new borrowing. A new prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients contributed another $272 billion. The Troubled Assets Relief Program bank bailout, which infuriated voters and led to the defeat of several legislators in 2010, added just $16 billion and TARP may eventually cost nothing as financial institutions repay the Treasury.

Obamas 2009 economic stimulus, a favorite target of Republicans who blame Democrats for the mounting debt, has added $719 billion, 6 percent of the total shift, according to the new analysis of CBO data by the nonprofit Pew Fiscal Analysis Initiative. All told, Obama-era choices account for about $1.7 trillion in new debt, according to a separate Washington Post analysis of CBO data over the past decade. Bush-era policies, meanwhile, account for more than $7 trillion and are a major contributor to the trillion-dollar annual budget deficits that are dominating the political debate..."

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/2/2011 7:51:00 PM:

Like I really believe the Washington Post! That's a good one! Next you will send me a Pravda opinion piece.

Obummer is into his third year folks with 5 years of Dems in charge of Congress. You can try to keep blaming Bush but that dog ain't huntin' any more. If Obummer and the Dems are such geniuses they better show it soon.

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/2/2011 8:30:00 PM:

Frank,

Shooting the messenger again? Waving your scented hankie to make the ugly facts be gone? The Congressional Budget Office is under Democratic control? (Not).

And you are still using 2006 as the beginning of Democractic control of Congress when I already explained to you it was 2007.

It is hard to keep you straight on the facts, Frank. You seem to be making them up as you go along.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/2/2011 8:49:00 PM:

Mr. Jordan,

Why is it that as soon as anyone comes in with concrete evidence of a Democrat doing something, your immediate response is to say "Well, BUSH did..." Yes, Bush made a LOT of mistakes, I didn;t agree with a LOT of what he did. Now, can we address the issue we were SPEAKING about, like the supposed "Clinton Surplus"? Now, you can go to ANY site that lists the total deficits and debt totals for EVERY year. The last true surplus we had was in 1957. Look at the deficits. The lowest RECENT number was 17.9 billion, in 2000. And the National Debt NEVER DECREASED. Now, I am not sure about YOUR house, but in MY house, if we spend more than we make, and our debt doesn't go down, we have no surplus.

Now, we can discuss 2001. What could have happened in 2001 that might have caused us to spend more money? Oh yeah, Bush had to rebuild the military after Clinton GUTTED it (almost as bad as Carter did). Easy to SAVE money when you aren't spending it where you should. Oh, my bad, only The Amazing Barry Obama gets credit for spending because of previous administrations failures. What ELSE could have happened that would have driven up COSTS...hmmmm, oh yeah, WE WERE ATTACKED!

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/2/2011 9:19:00 PM:


Zen,

We still have a full complement of carrier battle groups and nuclear submarines to contest an enemy that no longer exists, none of which did anything to protect us from Osama.

I can't imagine how you think the military was "gutted" when a large part of our cold war structure was, and is, still in place.

We're cutting Medicare instead of a few of the seventeen aircraft carrier battle groups with no one to fight? Or our fleet of nuclear subs with ten times the firepower we might need for the next generation?

China is building its economy to spectacular level while we are propping up an antiquated military structure at great expense.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/2/2011 11:03:00 PM:

China is also building its military Jordi and 2011-2007 = 5 last time I checked. Your heros are on their 5th budget year. I am waiting on that big change while they turn my dollars into change...

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/3/2011 12:02:00 AM:

And for what it is worth Jordi I found your article on every liberal blog on the net. You didn't quote the CBO, you quoted the liberal author's opinion. So yes, the messenger and his liberal agenda can both go take a hike.

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/3/2011 10:03:00 AM:

Frank,

"2011-2007 = 5 last time I checked."

If 2011 was over, you'd be right, but it isn't. Also, you repeatedly cited 2006 as the year of the Democratic takeover. 2006 does not equal 2007.

If you don't like the WaPo numbers and analysis, bring us your version printed in the major media where someone has to take responsibility for it. (Cue the crickets).

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/3/2011 10:30:00 AM:

Actually, Mr. Jordan, we have ELEVEN Carrier Strike Groups (we no longer have carrier battle groups), 10 of which are located in the US, one is deployed, currently, to Japan (where we HAVE to keep a defense force, as under the terms of their surrender, the Japanese are not permitted to have a military). A CSG is made up of 1 Aircraft Carrier, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships, and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates. They are responsible for PROJECTING power to the world, and to put our people on site as soon as possible, WITH air support.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/3/2011 10:32:00 AM:

Oh yeah, and MR. Jordan, the strike force we used to take back the Mariana (sp?) Island (Guam, Siapan, etc) during WW2 was larger than our ENTIRE US NAVY today.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/3/2011 2:07:00 PM:

Geez Jordi. I said (go read it) they are ON their 5th budget year. This IS the 5th budget year is it not? Got it? Heck if you like just call it 4-1/3. It is still more than enough time for all that wonderful change we were promised.

And I can go get all the opinion pieces you want to read with any budget argument you want to hear. They would be as meaningless as the opinion piece you posted. Opinions are like ... as the old saying goes.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/3/2011 2:51:00 PM:

Here is a good video on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/3/2011 3:45:00 PM:

Frank,

So until the truth arrives on marble tablets from the Mount, nothing is relevant?

Bring me your position pieces so I can evaluate them. I brought you mine.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/3/2011 5:31:00 PM:

I sent you a video. Did you like it?

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/3/2011 8:52:00 PM:

Frank,

Your video is quite an intellectual tidbit. Appropriate to your position, I suppose.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/4/2011 12:07:00 AM:

Thanks Jordi. I knew you would appreciate it. In humor we quite often get a clearer representation of fact.

 

Article Comment hope commented at 5/4/2011 8:25:00 AM:

@frank & zen;siding with the Republicans is like rewarding the criminal and condemning the victim.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/4/2011 8:46:00 AM:

Are you the "victim" again Hopeless?

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/4/2011 10:37:00 AM:

Frank,

You miss the proper applicability to your video. That was the Bush administration cranking out off-budget money for two wars that helped put us into this mess.

 

Article Comment frank commented at 5/4/2011 1:19:00 PM:

Well Jordi I have been hypotized so I can blame it on that.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/5/2011 2:57:00 AM:

Well, Mr. Jordan, I know, being the expert on government operations that you are, you realize that the President CANNOT go to war all by himself (at least not for long periods of time), and seeing as how for the last two YEARS, the Democrats have controlled the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives, why are we STILL in those wars? And for that matter, where did all the war protestors go?

Regardless, at least our current Administration didn't spend more than THEY should have, right? {cough cough Healthcare 1.5 trillion} or get us into ANOTHER war {cough cough Libya}. And its GREAT that we can depend on Obama to undo ALL THAT DAMAGE Bush did, right? {cough cough Extended Tax Cuts, cough cough Re-issued the Patriot Act, cough cough}

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/5/2011 8:52:00 PM:

Zen,

I'm not happy with Obama continuing the war in Afghanistan and not being out of Iraq, but he says we are going to leave this summer, and that better happen.

You'll have to defend your $1.5 trillion on health care, espcially compared to what would have happened had nothing been done.

Libya is in no way comparable to what we did in Iraq. How many American soldiers have died in Libya?

Obama had to extend all the tax cuts to cut a deal with Republicans to get other imperative items he, and we, needed.

I abhor the Patriot Act (if they have to call it that, you know it is especially nefarious) and am severely disappointed in Obama for doing that.

 

Article Comment zenreaper commented at 5/8/2011 8:29:00 AM:

Interesting thoughts Mr. Jordan, let me address them:

"I'm not happy with Obama continuing the war in Afghanistan and not being out of Iraq, but he says we are going to leave this summer, and that better happen."

You must be a racist, right? I mean when a conservative disagrees with Obama, they are labeled racists.

"You'll have to defend your $1.5 trillion on health care, espcially compared to what would have happened had nothing been done."

Medical care is supply and demand, just like any "product". When the prices get to high, people will simply stop using the "product". As for what the prices ARE, well, when you have an individual that can, for example, cut open your head, re-wire your brain, and put it back together, if you do not like what that person is charging, feel free to do it yourself.

"Obama had to extend all the tax cuts to cut a deal with Republicans to get other imperative items he, and we, needed."

It was signed on December 17th, 2010. The Republicans had yet to take control of the HoR, and had no power to do ANYTHING.

"I abhor the Patriot Act (if they have to call it that, you know it is especially nefarious) and am severely disappointed in Obama for doing that."

I abhor it as well, but interestingly, I am called a racist if I express disappointment in Obama for ANYTHING.

 

Article Comment mr. jordan commented at 5/9/2011 9:14:00 AM:


Zen,

"I abhor it as well, but interestingly, I am called a racist if I express disappointment in Obama for ANYTHING."

Obviously not by me. Perhaps this is payback for me being called a traitor and terrorist sympathizer for not voting for George Bush in 2004?

 

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