May 31, 2011 2:23:00 PM
It seems that rules and by-laws are changed often here in Columbus when it is going to work to a favored person''s advantage. If I am correct, then why does this happen?
This may be the case of the recent change of by-laws at the CVB. As I understand it, the rules used to stand that the interim could not be named as the director. Suddenly the Board changed their rules to make it possible for Nancy Carpenter to be named the new director. Why did they do that?
This is not the first time that I can remember rules being changed to accommodate a favored person. Although the situation may not have been identical, I recall that many saw it as established protocol being violated by the Columbus Arts Council a few years ago to name a favored candidate as director.
As a classroom teacher for 30 years, I know that changing rules resulted in bad feelings, chaos, and taught the students nothing more than how the "real world" works. I thought that Columbus had evolved past this kind of politics. Maybe not.
columbus concerned commented at 5/31/2011 4:13:00 PM:
Thank you so much for writing this letter to the editor! It takes courage to point out unfairness when you know someone might be upset.
I know that you aren't personally attacking Nancy Carpenter. In fact, you probably don't even Nancy Carpenter. You just want what's fair. Mrs. Carpenter took the interim position with the knowledge that she would not be allowed to apply for the permanent position. As I've said before, if she wanted to apply for the permanent position, she could have easily waited and applied for it. However, for her to even accept the position now, after the rules have been changed to DIRECTLY benefit her, would be a shame.
THE CVB CANNOT APPOINT HER PERMANENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND MAINTAIN CREDIBILITY.
Of course, Mrs. Carpenter's friends may not like you now, but, if they're being honest to themselves, deep down inside, they'll know that you're right.
nokiag commented at 5/31/2011 10:49:00 PM:
I appreciate concerned folk like the two of you who voice your opinion in contrast to some of us who do not. Thanks for sharing insight on a potential problem that involves taxpayers' money --afterall, tax dollars are used to pay the lady's salary! Right?
stirthestupid commented at 6/1/2011 10:33:00 AM:
John D. you are correct...
kj commented at 6/1/2011 11:35:00 AM:
It's typical that when the rules are changed they are changed in such a way that they apply to future decisions rather than the current one. This is done specifically to avoid allegations of impropriety or favoritism. The CVB should follow that example in this instance.
bridget pieschel commented at 6/2/2011 6:35:00 PM:
While I disagree with John Dorroh, and believe that Nancy Carpenter would be an excellent and obvious choice as permanent CVB Director, I admire and appreciate Mr. Dorroh's publishing his comments under his own name, rather than hiding behind an assumed nickname. For example, if "Columbus Concerned," who has written on the CVB topic previously, is as concerned as she or he implies, then she or he should reveal her or his identity. Otherwise, some readers might assume that "Columbus Concerned" has a personal agenda rather than a professional problem with Ms. Carpenter.
Bridget Smith Pieschel
columbus concerned commented at 6/2/2011 8:00:00 PM:
What baffles me about your comment is you point to my anonymity as evidence that I might have a personal agenda against Mrs. Carpter. However, you or no other person has been able to point to ONE time I said anything untrue about Mrs. Carpenter. Not one. All any of you say is your opinion that she would be good and then say I must want the position or have something against her.
None of you even address the facts. To prove to you I don't have anything against Mrs. Carpenter, if you answer these questions, I'll never comment on a story or editorial about her again. Promise.
1. If Mrs. knew the CVB charter or bylaws did not allow her to apply for permanent executive director position and she still accepted the interim position, should she be allowed to apply for the permanent position?
2. If you think she should, please explain why?
3. If you think she should, please explain what you think (your opinion) was the purpose of the rule not allowing interim people to apply for the permanent position?
4. Finally, please explain why that purpose should be ignored because of Mrs. Carpenter?
5. If the rules can be changed in the middle of the game, why have rules?
Finally, your attack against my anonymity is a classic attack line against online commentators when someone disagrees with their opinion. Most of the commentators on this website have anonymous names. Few reveal their identity. Do we all have secret, personal agendas. I post opinions on articles that have nothing to do with Mrs. Carpenter. Explain that.
iam4columbus commented at 6/3/2011 1:44:00 AM:
I must take issue with Ms. Pieschel's contention that "columbus concerned" has chosen to use an "assumed nickname" because he/she has a personal agenda. I would imagine that "columbus concerned" has decided that, since he/she lives in a small town where everybody knows everybody else (and their business) and where the unemployment rate is two points above the national average, there is legitimate cause for fear of retaliation, if his/her identity should become known. Perhaps it's because he/she does not have the luxury of a tenured university position, which, largely, frees one from both scrutiny and retaliation. As a professor of English, Ms. Pieschel should be well-acquainted with the concept of using a "pen name"; after all, a number of talented, respected writers have used this device, for one reason or another.
To imply that "columbus concerned"'s use of an "assumed nickname" means that he/she is not truly concerned, is disingenuous, at best.
To "columbus concerned", I say "bravo" and keep up the good work!
commonsenseincolumbus commented at 6/3/2011 2:35:00 PM:
I don't know what the bylaws say about interim directors becoming permanent ones, but I do know that Nancy Carpenter has given a lot to this community and that she loves Columbus. It's hard to imagine someone else putting as much into that job as Nancy would.
columbus concerned commented at 6/3/2011 3:36:00 PM:
Here's a link to an article about the CVB changing the rules to allow Mrs. Carpenter to apply for the permanent position. http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=9751
Now, please, STOP, stating how much Mrs. Carpenter loves the community and city and stating how good of a job she would do. NOBODY said she wouldn't.
The only point we have raised is that changing the rules to favor somone is unfair. So, i'll give you the same chance I gave Ms. Pieschel: explain why you think we should allow the rules to be changed to benefit Mrs. Carpenter? And if so, why we should still have any rules, since they can be changed when a couple people think the person loves the city?
commonsenseincolumbus commented at 6/3/2011 4:26:00 PM:
columbus concerned: I didn't address the rules. I'm simply speaking to the asset that we seem to have in Carpenter. I acknowledged that I didn't know what the rules were. The story you point to indicate an exception was made to the rules to allow Carpenter to apply for the job. If that is the case, I agree that it would have been more appropriate to change that rule for the NEXT interim director and not the sitting one.
columbus concerned commented at 6/3/2011 5:08:00 PM:
Ok. I see. I just wanted to be clear about the facts to make sure folks don't think I have anything personal against Mrs. Carpenter.
You now acknowledge, despite your good feelings about Mrs. Carpenter and the job she can do, that it's more appropriate that she not get the position because the rules were changed while she was the interim director. She hasn't gotten the job yet, so it isn't too late to do the fair thing. In fact, if she comes out with an explanation for why we should allow her to apply despite the unfairness of changing the rules to benefit one person, I may come around to supporting her. I just don't like the fact that the rule was obviously changed to benefit her, and her or none of her supporters, including Ms. Pieschel, find it necessary to explain why. They just want it ignored and her pushed through and are mad at me for pointing it out.
At least one of her supporters cares about what's fair.
nokiag commented at 6/3/2011 7:11:00 PM:
iam4columbus - Please send your comments of 6/3/11 to editor regarding Nancy Carpenter's (mis)use of the gas-guzzling SUV. The CVB Directors need to be made aware (in case their heads are in the sand) of this important matter of great concern - possible misuse of taxpayers money or "negligent accountability" to the taxpayers.
An employee who makes $60,000 should be able to afford her own transportation and buy her own gas (assuming that the CVB (we taxpayers) pays for that too...hopefully, they have a fuelman card like the county. I am curious about who signs off on the financial account. We need more people who are well informed and can help regular folk learn more about what's happening "under the tables" with these folk who act like they above the law. Afterall, we pay the cost through these high taxes. Undoubtedly, city and county officials don't know about Carpenter riding around in a big ol' candy apple red almost new air-conditioned SUV with these high gas prices and spending lavishly at popular restaurants with their money. I say print this in the newspaper and hold the CVB accountable. Who cares? I DO!!!
roscoe p. coltrain commented at 6/4/2011 12:49:00 PM:
Bridget, being from the W I can see why you'd prefer someone use their name online. That way you and the other W cows can all get together to take revenge on them.
Using a fake name doesn't make your comments any less valid, it just keeps the people you are exposing from using their influence to pay you back. I'm sure that is very annoying to the crowd around here. Too bad.
commonsenseincolumbus commented at 6/4/2011 8:19:00 PM:
columbus concerned: the only good answer to your question concerning why the rules should be changed for Carpenter is this: If an exhaustive search for a director reveals that Carpenter is in fact the best candidate for the position, then the rules should be changed. Has the CVB board done any searching for a director?
columbus concerned commented at 6/5/2011 10:35:00 AM:
To the best of my knowledge, which is basically based on the reporting of local news outlets, no a search for a new director has not taken place. I haven't read anywhere about them doing anything to find a permanent director.
nokiag commented at 6/5/2011 1:30:00 PM:
I read that a search would be considered or put up for discussion when a full board was in place, which might be during July. Maybe?? From so much discussion about Nancy Carpenter, she might already have the secret vote of the CVB. I hope they follow the City/County hiring procedures and guidelines. We can keep abreast by monitoring the CVB board meetings.
shinealightonit commented at 6/5/2011 4:13:00 PM:
You know, nokiag, you may be onto something, there!
In light of the CVB Board's recent history of going into executive session for questionable reasons (which may have violated ethics laws), it would not surprise me to learn that they have already made a secret pact to make Nancy Carpenter the permanent Executive Director. I hope that I am wrong. The best way for the Board to address this question, would be for them to announce, as soon as possible, that they are in the process of retaining an out-of-town search firm to conduct a thorough, fair, and impartial search for a permanent Executive Director.
I also agree with nokiag's suggestion that we keep abreast of what is going on at CVB Board meetings. I would imagine that, since the CVB is a public body, their Board meetings must be open to the public. If, as I suspect, they are open to the public, I would urge all concerned individuals (especially posters on CVB-related topics) to attend the next Board meeting (Monday, June 20; 4-6pm; 117 3rd Street South), to voice your opinion or, at the very least, to demonstrate that members of the community are watching. Sometimes a little scrutiny is necessary, to nudge people to do the right thing.
Maybe we should also contact the CVB Board members directly, to express our feelings. Does anyone know where to obtain contact information on the current board members? Maybe someone could post that information in this forum.
columbusrealitycheck commented at 6/5/2011 4:21:00 PM:
I think that it should be noted that Ms. Pieschel's husband, Steve, delivered two presentations about Tennessee Williams, recently, with at least one of them being organized by the Columbus CVB.
I am not sure about this, but one would have to assume that Mr. Pieschel was compensated for his presentations. If so, then Ms. Pieschel's comments in support of Ms. Carpenter should be viewed in the context of someone who has benefited from the CVB (and Ms. Carpenter).
Gee, in light of these details, it's possible that people might assume that you have a "personal agenda" in supporting Ms. Carpenter. Don't you think so, Bridget?
nokiag commented at 6/6/2011 1:57:00 AM:
shinealightonit: Can start with the CVB office number 662-329-1191 and surely they will give contact numbers for the board Members. Also, I like the idea to attend their meetings. Those folk must have a wild reason why they won't hire a national firm "to conduct a thorough, fair, and impartial search" for a Director. Frankly, I'm skeptical to want a Director (like Carpenter) who does not comply with the written rules. Otherwise, it would be a fast track to ease her way into the position. Yea, I'd like to talk with the board members to know where each one stand on this issue, to root out the ____ from the ____.
betcha$ commented at 6/7/2011 2:11:00 PM:
I've been listening to talk in Caledonia about this CVB business and ms Carpenter getting ready to take over the CVB office by any means necessary. The Packet already wrote about Dewitt Hicks wanting to kick off ms Byrd. This can happen with a male-dominated board. We need more ladies on these boards. Bethca $ something brewing.
betcha$ commented at 6/7/2011 9:17:00 PM:
I found out who ms Carpenter was and she seems like a nice lady. The City Council voted to put a man on the CVB board. Just hope he's ready for the job ahead because it look like they have to deal with a lot of stuff. I'm cheering for the CVB. betcha$